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re: Ukraine destroys Russia’s nuclear bombers

Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:02 pm to
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:02 pm to
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Zelensky dismisses peace talks


He posturing. Unless Zelensky is suffering from delusions on the same scale as April 1945 Adolf Hitler, he knows Ukraine needs this war to end very soon. But, as I watch this Russian Summer offensive unfold, it may already be too late to get anything resembling favorable terms.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:03 pm to
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Zelensky dismisses peace talks
John Barron calls for nuclear strikes on Ukraine:
quote:

In order to avoid mass Ukrainian Casualties, Tactical Nuclear Warheads on Oreshnik Missiles would do the trick
LINK

You really are a fricking scumbag.
Posted by SloaneRanger
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:05 pm to
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The TU-95 is indeed a “prop bomber”. It’s also the backbone on the Russian strategic bomber force. I don’t know precisely how many of them the Ukrainians took out, but if it’s even close to 40, that is indeed a massive blow to Russia’s nuclear triad. Hell, even if it’s half that number, that’s still a big loss for Russia. X


Those bombers are completely obsolete. Tell us, how many sorties have they flown in the Ukraine? Ukraine may want to focus on stuff that would make a difference in the war that is actually being fought.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:05 pm to
This Barron guy really thinks the use of tactical “battlefield” nukes is a good thing?

Holy shite. He’s lost his damned mind.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:08 pm to
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the Ghost of Kiev


And "supermodel sniper"

Some doozies for the gullible.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:08 pm to
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This Barron guy really thinks the use of tactical “battlefield” nukes is a good thing?
Yeah, but a Russian general getting assassinated had him bleeding out of his arse.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:09 pm to
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the Ghost of Kiev and Snake Island are totally real B
Russia totally didn't want Kiev bro. They are just trying to stop the 4th Reich
This post was edited on 6/1/25 at 1:10 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:09 pm to
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Those bombers are completely obsolete.


For what they have to do in this war, not really.

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Tell us, how many sorties have they flown in the Ukraine?


It’s not like WWII where there are mass formations flying over cities dropping payloads of dummy 500 lb bombs. The Russians use the TU-95s to launch cruise missiles into Ukraine without ever having to enter Ukrainian airspace. They’ve been doing this since the start of the war.
Posted by Royal
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:11 pm to
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Ukraine is attack Russia’s nuclear weapons in Russian law that means they have the legal right to nuke Ukraine.


Can you post a link to this law? Thx
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:13 pm to
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Holy shite. He’s lost his damned mind.


Dont get him started on IRBMs.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:19 pm to
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Ukraine is attack Russia’s nuclear weapons in Russian law that means they have the legal right to nuke Ukraine.


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Can you post a link to this law? Thx


He’s mistaking policy for an actual law. Here are the conditions Russia has laid out for use of Nuclear weapons…

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2. Conditions for Nuclear Weapons Use:
Russia's policy outlines specific scenarios for using nuclear weapons:
Responding to an attack using nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction against Russia or its allies.
Addressing large-scale conventional aggression that poses a critical threat to the existence of the Russian state or its sovereignty and territorial integrity, which also applies to aggression against Belarus.
Based on reliable data indicating a ballistic missile attack or a mass launch of aerospace attack means crossing Russia's border.
In response to actions that could disrupt Russia's ability to retaliate with nuclear weapons.
Considering aggression by a non-nuclear state with the support of a nuclear state as a joint attack.

LINK

Russia operates what is known as a nuclear “triad” jsit like the US. It’s the three main ways to deliver a nuclear strike.

1. Land-based ICBMs
2. Sub-based ICBMs
3. Long-range strategic bombers

The TU-95s are the backbone of one tier of the Russian nuclear triad. And as per Russian government policy, they can view an attack of the nature Ukraine has done, as grounds for launching a nuclear retaliation.

Having said that, I think there is not to zero chance they actually would do it.
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:20 pm to
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And "supermodel sniper"

Some doozies for the gullible.
Some other doozies for the gullible:

-Russia never wanted Kiev
-Putin invaded Ukraine to destroy 'globalist' bio-weapon labs
-“That is a war that’s dying to be settled. I will get it settled before I even become president. If I win, when I’m president-elect and what I’ll do is I’ll speak to one, I’ll speak to the other, I’ll get them together.”
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:21 pm to
And it literally doesn't matter lmao. Russian law matters frick all
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:23 pm to
Yeah, those are bad, but werent sold to us by our own mainstream media.

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:26 pm to
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And it literally doesn't matter lmao. Russian law matters frick all


Well, as I pointed out, it’s not even law. It’s policy. He was making it out like a Russian law mandated a nuclear response to this attack. I was correcting that fallacy while pointing out that Russian policy does state an attack that hinders Russia’s nuclear deterrence is, in Russia’s view grounds for the use of nuclear weapons.

But again, I don’t see them doing anything of that nature.
This post was edited on 6/1/25 at 1:32 pm
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:34 pm to
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He posturing. Unless Zelensky is suffering from delusions on the same scale as April 1945 Adolf Hitler, he knows Ukraine needs this war to end


Last time I checked, dismissing peace talks as "meaningless" and attacking Russia airbases and only damaging 4 bombers out of 100 thinking that would do anything but only escalate the War would be more Delusional than posturing. But I guess we are about to find out
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:35 pm to
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and only damaging 4 bombers
Posted by northshorebamaman
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:37 pm to
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Yeah, those are bad, but werent sold to us by our own mainstream media.
"Ghost of Kiev" was a typical wartime propaganda op to increase morale.

Poor old Russia really "only wanting a couple tiny oblasts that no cares about because they're just concerned about the well being of the common folks" and "Putin is actually fighting the globalists (and by extension, the Deep State')" were used as actual justifications for propagating a war that's killed hundreds of thousands. And had the full backing of our 'alternative media', which is just as influential, if not more so in some circles, and every bit as full of shite.

But you think Sniper Barbie was more insidious than the lies used to justify the overall war?

Really?
Posted by WestCoastAg
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by John Barron
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Posted on 6/1/25 at 1:38 pm to
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The Russians use the TU-95s to launch cruise missiles into Ukraine



"Ukraine’s biggest problem is not strategic Russian aviation. Iskanders and Geran-2 drones are doing much more work than Tu-95s. We’ve seen three strike utilizing these bombers in the last 4 months and they’ve all been within the last week."

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