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re: UC Berkeley settles landmark free speech lawsuit, will pay $70,000 to conservative group

Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:20 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:20 pm to
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Tell me why a protester would be covering his face with a bandana? Thats a clear sign of a lefist antifa type at a rally/protest. Like a confederate flag/nazi symbol/shaved head for a white supremacist.


You should be allowed to wear a mask while you peacefully protest.

For most states with anti-mask laws, they're usually only illegal if you commit another crime while wearing one.

Arguing wearing a mask at a protest should be a crime is as ridiculous as arguing open carrying a gun at a protest should be a crime.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:21 pm to
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You shouldn't be able to cover your face in a place where rioting and protesting are happening. Its the same threat. I would imagine an even bigger one.


A riot and a protest are two different things. If you're breaking the law, then you should be detained, mask or not. If you're not breaking any law, wearing a mask shouldn't be a crime either.
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42502 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 12:45 pm to
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If you're not breaking any law, wearing a mask shouldn't be a crime either.


If you are wearing a mask at a protest, yes it should be illegal. It a matter of public safety. Just my opinion. You also should not be able to open or conceal carry at one either. All of those things are just asking for trouble, people getting assaulted/hurt/killed.
Posted by TexasTiger89
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:09 pm to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:13 pm to
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If you are wearing a mask at a protest, yes it should be illegal. It a matter of public safety.


Nah. That's too far
Posted by Kracka
Lafayette, Louisiana
Member since Aug 2004
42502 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:39 pm to
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Nah. That's too far


why? how does not being able to wear something to hide your identity infringe on your rights?
Posted by facher08
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2011
6305 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:47 pm to
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If you are wearing a mask at a protest, yes it should be illegal. It a matter of public safety.


This sentence sounds like some public decree out of the Eastern Block and should not be uttered by anyone that values freedom.

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You also should not be able to open or conceal carry at one either.


This is equally as terrifying.
This post was edited on 12/4/18 at 1:49 pm
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91871 posts
Posted on 12/4/18 at 1:55 pm to
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how does not being able to wear something to hide your identity infringe on your rights?


Because you have a freedom of association, and you also have a freedom of harassment for that association. In other words, if you want to peacefully protest for a cause that would garner harassment in your personal life, you should be able to hide your identity during that protest.

I understand the public safety aspect, but it's difficult to create a law that is narrow enough to be effective while not infringing on the rights of peaceful protesters (I understand Antifa isn't peaceful).
Posted by Pilot Tiger
North Carolina
Member since Nov 2005
74074 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 6:47 am to
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You are 100% infallibly correct. And the next time the police arrest you and search your home without a warrant, or the police do nothing about any crazy individual or mob attacking you in the streets, you need to say and do nothing because that doesn't usually happen to people. Your complaint in that instance needs to be ignored because you'd be making it seem like a giant problem when it's actually a bit overblown.
I guess I wasn't clear.

I think rioters need to be jailed and I think people need to be able to speak on campuses.

What I'm saying is that we need to stop caving to them and ignoring their whining about "hate speech" and instead allow people to speak on campuses when invited.

The vast majority of speaking engagements, even by so called controversial speakers, goes on without incident but the media makes it seem like no one conservative can ever speak on a campus because of riots.
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 6:49 am
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53591 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 7:11 am to
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Tell me why a protester would be covering his face with a bandana?


Because they want to support but not get their life ruined by the SJW hordes online if a photo gets out.

It’s not as absolute as you are trying to make it out to be.
This post was edited on 12/5/18 at 7:15 am
Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 7:25 am to
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Because they want to support but not get their life ruined by the SJW hordes online if a photo gets out.

It’s not as absolute as you are trying to make it out to be.




Well I reckon the good normal protestors are going to have to police their protest better then, if they are afraid of being affiliated with the ones that turn it bad.

it's not hard at all. No face covering during a protest. So yes as absolute as i'm stating it. If you stand behind your cause then it doesnt matter who takes pics. In pics people can tell if you are supporting or not the negative behavior. Actually would benefit you if you are a peaceful one.

I get how it's a grey area, but I'm tired of these protests causing damage. And white cowards hiding their faces as they do it. At least blacks loot, and cause damage with no flying fricks about who captures them on camera.
Posted by BruslyTiger
Waiting on 420...
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Posted on 12/5/18 at 7:32 am to
Posted by loweralabamatrojan
Lower Alabama
Member since Oct 2006
13285 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 7:37 am to
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UC Berkeley College Republicans


These guys must be like Fort Apache.
Posted by Tigris
Cloud Cuckoo Land
Member since Jul 2005
13221 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 7:38 am to
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It a matter of public safety.


"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin.

Today we have a ton of stupid shite being done in the name of "public safety". Crying "public safety" is definitely a refuge for scoundrels.
Posted by Barbellthor
Columbia
Member since Aug 2015
11569 posts
Posted on 12/5/18 at 8:59 am to
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What I'm saying is that we need to stop caving to them and ignoring their whining about "hate speech" and instead allow people to speak on campuses when invited.

I was hoping this was more along what you were saying lol. I think just using pronouns in your first post caused the confusion.
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