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re: Uber Halts Autonomous-Car Testing After Fatal Arizona Crash

Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:41 pm to
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:41 pm to
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i'm not going to go into the demographics of who is more prone to jaywalk but suffice it to say this happens enough that i cant imagine an autonomous car being injected into the mix without catastrophic results.


Because humans never hit pedestrians ever.

Seriously you sound like you probably opposed the steam engine train back in your youth.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77986 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:42 pm to
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If she had done that half a second later, I'd have probably hit her


let me highlight the word he used here and remind you he did NOT hit her.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110747 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:42 pm to
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A self driving Tesla already killed a guy in Florida

Bloomberg
It was ONLY automated steering, and it should not have been used when it was being used. Your link even stated Tesla's car worked as designed in that case, and the main issue was giving the driver the leeway to be using it incorrectly, meaning, it was user error.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
59603 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:42 pm to
Nah..that is a reach that last part.
This post was edited on 3/19/18 at 12:43 pm
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94952 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:43 pm to
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let me highlight the word he used here and remind you he did NOT hit her.
Why are you acting like a self automated car DEFINITELY would have?
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77986 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:43 pm to
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so you are of the opinion the cars will never be able to have a quicker reaction time than humans?


sure, i willingly admit that.

now, are you of the opinion that some geek writing code can account for every type of scenario where a person ends up in contact with a vehicle?
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84755 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:43 pm to
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Self driving cars don’t need to achieve perfection, they just have to beat the average set by current drivers.


They have to do much better than the average of current drivers in order to be financially feasible. The cost of an accident is significantly higher for a deep-pocketed software company than it is for John Doe.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110747 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:44 pm to
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read what you wrote again slowly.
I think you should because you clearly missed it but then again you're the same guy who thinks it's impossible to have a situation where someone runs onto a road a human driver or self driver has no chance to brake, so you're not giving me much to work with.

You're pretty clueless on this one.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110747 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:44 pm to
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i'm in software development and goddamn y'all put a lot of faith in the God of non-buggy code on here.
And you're putting your faith into human drivers who NEVER SCREW UP!!!
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77986 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:44 pm to
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It was ONLY automated steering, and it should not have been used when it was being used. Your link even stated Tesla's car worked as designed in that case, and the main issue was giving the driver the leeway to be using it incorrectly, meaning, it was user error.



all computer-controlled autonomous vehicle software code is not created equal now right?




too much
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171036 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:45 pm to
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now, are you of the opinion that some geek writing code can account for every type of scenario where a person ends up in contact with a vehicle?


Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77986 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:45 pm to
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Why are you acting like a self automated car DEFINITELY would have?


well we already have 4-5 instances of people being killed by them..so there's that.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
171036 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:46 pm to
How is that moving the goal posts? I'd really like to know.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110747 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:46 pm to
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let me highlight the word he used here and remind you he did NOT hit her.

This is meaningless unless you can prove the self driving car would have, which you can't.

So what's your point?
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94952 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:46 pm to
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now, are you of the opinion that some geek writing code can account for every type of scenario where a person ends up in contact with a vehicle?
Of course not. But I think the geek can make it to where they make it safer than a human

Humans eat and look at cell phones

Humans get blow jobs while drving

Humans get drunk and drive

etc etc etc

All those things we wont have to worry about and more... So yes, the computer will have issues that humans dont. But i think they will still be able to create a system that is ultimately safer.

I am fine you have a different opinion, but honestly, your posting makes it obvious you dont have the logic to even understand this topic fully
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110747 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:47 pm to
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now, are you of the opinion that some geek writing code can account for every type of scenario where a person ends up in contact with a vehicle?

Probably not but I have no doubt we will eventually have self driving cars that are safer than human driving cars. No question about that, that will happen.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
94952 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:47 pm to
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well we already have 4-5 instances of people being killed by them..so there's that.


Good thing I cant find anything of humans killing people with cars
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77986 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:47 pm to
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How is that moving the goal posts? I'd really like to know.


because the tesla homos have been sucking on elon's jock strap since the first dude was beheaded going 70mph using 'auto pilot' because he got 'too comfortable' with it and tesla's flawless engineering team simply couldn't account for a FIFTY FOOT TRACTOR TRAILER BLOCKING THE ROAD.



but shel1l31 is all like 'well this time the robot car will get it right' and everyone else is using the robot car wrong.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110747 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:47 pm to
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all computer-controlled autonomous vehicle software code is not created equal now right?

Somebody didn't read the article.

Read it then get back to me. What I said was basically from teh article...the one you didn't read.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
110747 posts
Posted on 3/19/18 at 12:48 pm to
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well we already have 4-5 instances of people being killed by them..so there's that.

What an awful point, you gotta be trolling here.

In that time we've had 0 instances of human drivers killing pedestrians, right?


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