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re: Uber banning riders, drivers from carrying guns
Posted on 6/21/15 at 6:26 pm to bhtigerfan
Posted on 6/21/15 at 6:26 pm to bhtigerfan
How did this shite thread make 7 pages?
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Posted on 6/21/15 at 6:28 pm to VerlanderBEAST
quote:frick off troll. I hope you're arse raped by 6 guys tonight.
Yes and if she was a victim its all the more reason she shouldnt be carrying a gun
Posted on 6/21/15 at 6:30 pm to yellowfin
quote:Because libtards are accusing anyone who conceal carries a "paranoid nut".
How did this shite thread make 7 pages?
Posted on 6/21/15 at 6:34 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
I'm free not to use their service?
They are free to refuse service to me?
Sounds ok.
At any rate I'll be armed, and that's a true fact.
They are free to refuse service to me?
Sounds ok.
At any rate I'll be armed, and that's a true fact.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 6:35 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
I never said anything about that, although I think they should have a right to carry a gun in their car if they choose to. I think it's bull shite to say that licensed concealed carriers can't have a gun in an Uber car also. Who do they present a threat to?
While the car may be the drivers' personal vehicle, certain rights to that vehicle are stripped when it is used for Uber services. Uber is using current procedures already in place to enact the gun restriction from the vehicle. It's not like they're making this shite up out of thin air to allow for a restriction.
If the driver wants to maintain full rights of his vehicle and therefore not use any of the services provided by Uber to produce a wage, he should go elsewhere. Again, as I said before in this thread, there's nothing legally questionable about their gun restriction.
This post was edited on 6/21/15 at 6:36 pm
Posted on 6/21/15 at 6:42 pm to blkhawktiger
quote:See, this is how you debate/discuss topics. Not by calling people paranoid nuts.
While the car may be the drivers' personal vehicle, certain rights to that vehicle are stripped when it is used for Uber services. Uber is using current procedures already in place to enact the gun restriction from the vehicle. It's not like they're making this shite up out of thin air to allow for a restriction.
If the driver wants to maintain full rights of his vehicle and therefore not use any of the services provided by Uber to produce a wage, he should go elsewhere. Again, as I said before in this thread, there's nothing legally questionable about their gun restriction.
On the bolded statement, there have been a several legal cases on this subject with employers having policies forbidding employees to have guns in there private vehicles on company property and I think truck drivers having guns in their trucks they lease to the company.
Although it "may" be legal, I don't think they can enforce it on the drivers or passengers. What about off duty cops who are carrying?
This post was edited on 6/21/15 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 6/21/15 at 6:58 pm to bhtigerfan
I never called you a paranoid nut. I simply laughed at your broad stroke of New Orleans and then proceeded to play devils advocate with you because of your obnoxious far-right statements.
1. I think you've "quoted" the wrong word in this sentence. I don't even know how to respond to that first part.
2. There's absolutely no comparison between off duty cops in their own vehicles and Uber drivers essentially leasing their and their vehicles services to Uber. Not even going to address that, as they are not comparable situations. The off duty cop has not agreed to give up vehicle rights or agreed to maintain a certain condition of his vehicle by being a cop off duty.
3. The Uber drivers sign an agreement upon hiring that guarantees their vehicle will meet the uber standard. It includes agreements on cleanliness, vehicle insurance, proper licensing, and now the restriction of weapons in the vehicle. This type of agreement is simply company and industry-driven. I can't help you on how truck drivers may be able to conceal carry.
Just because a few companies in a different industry that are questionably relevant don't make their drivers agree to this restriction doesn't mean that Uber can't or shouldn't.
quote:
Although it "may" be legal, I don't think they can enforce it on the drivers or passengers. What about off duty cops who are carrying?
1. I think you've "quoted" the wrong word in this sentence. I don't even know how to respond to that first part.
2. There's absolutely no comparison between off duty cops in their own vehicles and Uber drivers essentially leasing their and their vehicles services to Uber. Not even going to address that, as they are not comparable situations. The off duty cop has not agreed to give up vehicle rights or agreed to maintain a certain condition of his vehicle by being a cop off duty.
3. The Uber drivers sign an agreement upon hiring that guarantees their vehicle will meet the uber standard. It includes agreements on cleanliness, vehicle insurance, proper licensing, and now the restriction of weapons in the vehicle. This type of agreement is simply company and industry-driven. I can't help you on how truck drivers may be able to conceal carry.
Just because a few companies in a different industry that are questionably relevant don't make their drivers agree to this restriction doesn't mean that Uber can't or shouldn't.
This post was edited on 6/21/15 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:05 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
Driver gets to search you?.. you get to search them?
Whoever gets it first should hope the other one isn't armed I guess.
Whoever gets it first should hope the other one isn't armed I guess.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:11 pm to yellowfin
quote:
How did this shite thread make 7 pages?
The OT is so gay for Über it makes the conservative OT lean left.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:13 pm to blkhawktiger
quote:Just because Uber says it's legal doesn't mean shite. In states that allow legal carry in "your private vehicle", it may be challenged. Uber does not own these vehicles.
1. I think you've "quoted" the wrong word in this sentence. I don't even know how to respond to that first part.
quote:No dude, I was talking about an off duty cop carrying a gun as an Uber passenger, not driver. Is Uber going to refuse service to off duty cops?
2. There's absolutely no comparison between off duty cops in their own vehicles and Uber drivers essentially leasing their and their vehicles services to Uber. Not even going to address that, as they are not comparable situations. The off duty cop has not agreed to give up vehicle rights or agreed to maintain a certain condition of his vehicle by being a cop off duty.
This post was edited on 6/21/15 at 7:15 pm
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:14 pm to OleWarSkuleAlum
How is this different from most businesses? I doubt Goldman Sachs would be cool with you strolling into work with a gun on you. I doubt the manager at any McDonald's would be okay if I showed up to my 3-10 fry cook shift with a glock. It would probably be tough to tell me to go mop the bathroom.
Uber drivers getting robbed and/or killed is basically out of the question. The only cash they would have would be personal cash, or tips. Neither of which would be lucrative enough to go through the trouble to get. To even think about pulling it off, you would need to:
1.Steal someone's cell phone
2.Have that cell phone have uber downloaded, with an active credit card attached.
3.Summon the Uber, steal the drivers money (of which there might not be any) at gunpoint, and flee.
At this point, your location is tracked, you have at least one sure-fire witness, maybe two depending on how you stole the phone.
This would be the most retarded robbery of all time. It would be akin to going into a stockbrokers office and sticking them up.
Uber drivers getting robbed and/or killed is basically out of the question. The only cash they would have would be personal cash, or tips. Neither of which would be lucrative enough to go through the trouble to get. To even think about pulling it off, you would need to:
1.Steal someone's cell phone
2.Have that cell phone have uber downloaded, with an active credit card attached.
3.Summon the Uber, steal the drivers money (of which there might not be any) at gunpoint, and flee.
At this point, your location is tracked, you have at least one sure-fire witness, maybe two depending on how you stole the phone.
This would be the most retarded robbery of all time. It would be akin to going into a stockbrokers office and sticking them up.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:17 pm to WaltTeevens
quote:
This would be the most retarded robbery of all time. It would be akin to going into a stockbrokers office and sticking them up.
Pretty much.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:18 pm to WaltTeevens
quote:Because they are in "their privately owned" vehicle, not an office or building. Not the same.
How is this different from most businesses? I doubt Goldman Sachs would be cool with you strolling into work with a gun on you.
I'm not arguing about whether drivers will be robbed or not, just their right to carry a weapon if they so choose, and the right of licensed concealed carriers also.
This post was edited on 6/21/15 at 7:21 pm
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:20 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
Because they are in "their privately owned" vehicle, not an office or building. Not the same.
Actually, it is. They can take their privately owned vehicle and work somewhere else. You don't have rights when working for a company.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:21 pm to La Place Mike
quote:
Are you really a lawyer? How did your clients get caught?
If you can't understand how a company announcing a policy that lets the world know their employees are vulnerable doesn't put them at some risk then I can't help you.
Yes I'm really a lawyer and my clients have been arrested in various ways, but never has one provided a credit card before committing the crime. Criminals want cash or valuables and they don't want to be caught. So while I kinda agree it's not great policy to announce the drivers are unarmed, it's just not logical that uber drivers are suddenly top targets. The biggest deterant is not the possibility the driver has a gun, it's the knowledge there's no cash and the fact uber gets credit card and ID before a driver even goes out.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:25 pm to biglego
quote:
Yes I'm really a lawyer and my clients have been arrested in various ways, but never has one provided a credit card before committing the crime. Criminals want cash or valuables and they don't want to be caught. So while I kinda agree it's not great policy to announce the drivers are unarmed, it's just not logical that uber drivers are suddenly top targets. The biggest deterant is not the possibility the driver has a gun, it's the knowledge there's no cash and the fact uber gets credit card and ID before a driver even goes out.
God forbid, actual reason! But listening to some of these clowns, all these criminals are more than happy to turn over their IDs, phone numbers, addresses, and credit card information before murdering someone. These people don't have actual reasoning skills, particularly Johnny Badass who wishes to burn the company to the ground.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:26 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
Because they are in "their privately owned" vehicle, not an office or building. Not the same.
Well, if they don't like it, they can hit the bricks and start their own gun-totin', vigilante justice car ride service. I can see wanting to quit jobs for many reasons, but "They wouldn't let me carry a gun" isn't a really rational one.
I delivered pizzas in my day, and there are tons of stories about them getting robbed and even killed. That's because......they carry cash quite often. I think it would be a little much to have carried a gun with me while delivering pizzas, but it wouldn't have been crazy. Uber drivers? Nah.....guns can take a break.
The company is absolutely right to distance themselves from this.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:28 pm to OMLandshark
quote:Really?
You don't have rights when working for a company.
Thanks for the laugh!
You dumb.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:30 pm to WaltTeevens
quote:
This would be the most retarded robbery of all time. It would be akin to going into a stockbrokers office and sticking them up.
To be honest, this would be a much smarter robbery than stealing from an Uber driver. At least the stockbrokers likely have some money in their wallets and you don't have to provide your ID, phone number, and credit information to them. The Uber driver is just a 23 year old who may have a 20 in his pocket. I literally can not imagine a dumber robbery than going after an Uber driver.
Posted on 6/21/15 at 7:34 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
Really?
Thanks for the laugh!
You dumb.
You really think you have the right to free speech when you're working? How about you test this out tomorrow and call your boss a cheap cock sucker who fricks over all of his employees and see how that works out for you. Walk in with a fully loaded shotgun and see how that works out.
The only rights you have with a company is to not be discriminated against if you're a protected class or a whistle blower, and that's really it. Try any other shite, and they can fire you without any issue.
If you doubt me in that you have rights in the workplace, please follow my advice and be in for a rude awakening. I know a lot about this shite.
This post was edited on 6/21/15 at 7:36 pm
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