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Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:38 am to Funky Tide 8
quote:Maybe its because the citizen is being an a-hole towards the cop first
I love how cops can be the biggest, most disrespectful assholes to citizens who may have violated a minor traffic law
Act like an a-hole, expect to be treated like an a-hole. Act like a respectable person, and you should expect the same treatment in return. Its pretty simple and applicable to all daily interactions with other people, not just with cops.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:38 am to BayouBlitz
quote:And then when he tells you to roll it back down and you don’t you are now breaking lawful orders which is illegal.
don't give a shite what a cop wants. It's perfectly legal to give id and roll your window up.
That isn’t an opinion. You can keep it real as you want but it’s against the law. Up to you
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 10:40 am
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:41 am to lsupride87
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:41 am to OMLandshark
They just can't follow simple instructions
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:42 am to lsupride87
quote:
And then when he tells you to roll it back down and you don’t you are now breaking lawful orders which is illegal.
Q: If failing to roll down his window was truly a lawful order, what wasn't he cited for that?
A: Because it wasn't a lawful order to begin with.
Hill was a jerk, but still within his rights.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:42 am to lsupride87
quote:
Yes or no
Hill disobeyed multiple orders of rolling the window back down?
No. On the immediate tap tap tap and request? Yes. Then, window comes down. Compliance. These cops will be reprimanded, if not named in a civil suit losing qualified immunity if Rosenhaus takes it that far. You may not like it, but your feelings don't matter.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:42 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:
but still within his rights.
so everyone pulled over has a right to not roll their window down? do you believe the shite you're typing?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:43 am to Lonnie Utah
quote:No he wasn’t
Hill was a jerk, but still within his rights.
I have listed the Florida fricking statute
He has no legal right to disobey the order of rolling the window down Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:43 am to lsupride87
quote:
And then when he tells you to roll it back down and you don’t you are now breaking lawful orders which is illegal.
bullshite.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:43 am to broadhead
quote:
Doesn't look like 120 to me.
Was clocked by another officer at 62 in a 40.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:44 am to lsupride87
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the order of rolling the window down
Lawful orders in Florida are ones to protect public safety. How is rolling the window down a public safter concern. It's not. It's an officer safety concern and that's not the same thing.
You could argue that the order(s) for his teammate to leave by parking in the shoulder/travel lane or to not approach other officers doing their job were lawful orders. But asking one to roll down a window when they already had and already provided his license doesn't elevate to a "lawful order". It's a request and those two things aren't the same. He did everything he needed to do when he gave the officer his license. The officer needs nothing further to complete his job. The rest is over reach by the police and possibly even a violation of the 4th amendment.
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 11:25 am
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:44 am to BayouBlitz
quote:I mean the law is extremely clear
bullshite
Rolling down your window is a lawful request and you must obey it. It is not your right to disobey
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:45 am to lsupride87
Hey, post that Ask Jeeves or some such screenshot you're clinging onto again. Let everyone see your "law".
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:47 am to lsupride87
quote:
have listed the Florida fricking statute He has no legal right to disobey the order of rolling the window down
List/post it one more time. Shouldn't take but a second.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:47 am to Sao
Comply dummy, and there's not an issue. What's so hard to understand about that ? Common sense has left the building.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:49 am to Sao
I asked ChatGPT about this and this was the response:
In Florida, there is no specific statute that directly requires you to roll down your window during a traffic stop. However, general laws related to complying with law enforcement directives and safety apply.
Relevant Florida Statutes:
Florida Statute § 316.126(1)(a): "Operation of Vehicles and Actions Required on Approach of Authorized Emergency Vehicles"
This statute requires drivers to yield and stop when directed by law enforcement officers. It indirectly implies that you must comply with reasonable requests from officers during a traffic stop, which could include rolling down your window so the officer can communicate with you.
Florida Statute § 316.072(3): "Obedience to Police Officers"
This law requires that all drivers must comply with lawful orders or directions of a police officer. If a police officer lawfully stops you and requests that you roll down your window, you are generally required to follow that directive.
While the law does not explicitly state "you must roll down your window," failing to comply with an officer's reasonable and lawful commands during a traffic stop could be interpreted as non-compliance, which might result in further legal complications, including possible charges of obstruction.
It's generally advisable to cooperate with law enforcement during traffic stops for your safety and to avoid escalating the situation.
In Florida, there is no specific statute that directly requires you to roll down your window during a traffic stop. However, general laws related to complying with law enforcement directives and safety apply.
Relevant Florida Statutes:
Florida Statute § 316.126(1)(a): "Operation of Vehicles and Actions Required on Approach of Authorized Emergency Vehicles"
This statute requires drivers to yield and stop when directed by law enforcement officers. It indirectly implies that you must comply with reasonable requests from officers during a traffic stop, which could include rolling down your window so the officer can communicate with you.
Florida Statute § 316.072(3): "Obedience to Police Officers"
This law requires that all drivers must comply with lawful orders or directions of a police officer. If a police officer lawfully stops you and requests that you roll down your window, you are generally required to follow that directive.
While the law does not explicitly state "you must roll down your window," failing to comply with an officer's reasonable and lawful commands during a traffic stop could be interpreted as non-compliance, which might result in further legal complications, including possible charges of obstruction.
It's generally advisable to cooperate with law enforcement during traffic stops for your safety and to avoid escalating the situation.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:49 am to tiger81
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Comply dummy, and there's not an issue. What's so hard to understand about that ?
Hill complied in every phase. 100%.
Being a jerk telling a cop not to knock on his window and to hurry up isn't against the law. Is this the issue?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 10:52 am to Sao
quote:ok
List/post it one more time. Shouldn't take but a second.
Here you go
LINK
quote:
Yes, in Florida, you are required to roll your window down when the police are attempting to pull you over. It's important to comply with this requirement to ensure a smooth interaction with law enforcement.
LINK
quote:
Do you have to roll your window for police in Florida? Yes, at the first safe location, pull over, roll your window down, turn your vehicle off, and place your hands on the steering wheel.
Need more?
And you are right, that is quick and easy. So please quickly provide all your support showing rolling down your window isn’t a lawful request and you are within you rights to disobey
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