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re: Tyreek Hill Arrest Footage Released
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:31 pm to Indefatigable
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:31 pm to Indefatigable
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Its not reasonable behavior on Hill's part there. I don't know why you're trying to defend it. The cops after that got on their high horse and also acted like
I'm not defending Hill at all. In any post. I'm disputing made up facts, conjecture, opinion and subjectivity ITT.
Hill/Human Being did nothing unlawful after the stop.
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Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:34 pm to SaintTiger80
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If you fly off the handle when someone says “shut up you stupid pig” then you aren’t cut out to be a cop.
You got to let it roll off you and stay professional.
None of that happened here though. It WAS professional until they decided to remove him from the car for not rolling the window down in that manner. As soon as the window was fully down, or at the latest when the door was open it was clear he wasn't a threat to the officers. After that, yes, the cops were total morons and acted inappropriately.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:36 pm to Sao
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I'm disputing made up facts, conjecture, opinion and subjectivity ITT.
Where have I made up facts or offered conjecture, opinion, or subjectivity?
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Hill/Human Being did nothing unlawful after the stop.
I haven't stated that he had. What I have stated is that the officers also did not do anything unlawful up to the point where they established that no threat was present when the window finally came back down and/or the door was open. After that, they went too far. Before that, their behavior was reasonable and within the law.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:37 pm to Indefatigable
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It WAS professional until they decided to remove him from the car for not rolling the window down in that manner.
He complied by rolling it down at least a full 6", at least. They then decided, even though it was lawful and in compliance, that wasn't good enough.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:38 pm to WhiskeyTangoFoxtrot
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Looks like I was right...about the first statement!
Yes, I'm the dumbass getting suspended for pulling millionaires out of McLarens because they rolled their window up after first asking me where to pull over and then handing me their ID, but hurting my feelings for asking me not to knock on their window. Risk alert through the roof.
As smart as you are, I pray you survive 10 more years.
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:40 pm to Sao
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He complied by rolling it down at least a full 6", at least. They then decided, even though it was lawful and in compliance, that wasn't good enough.
The officer is within the law in determining that no threat was present. In this case, particularly after a blacked out window was rolled up. A 6" gap does not allow the officer to see the full scope of potential threats in the vehicle. The mere act of rolling it up while being told to keep it down allows that leeway.
Everyone agrees what happened after that was egregious. I don't know why you're so hung up on this point. No, cracking a blacked out window 6" after rolling it up against an officers instructions during a traffic stop is not your right.
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:42 pm to geauxturbo
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I'm the dumbass getting suspended for pulling millionaires out of McLarens because they rolled their window up after first asking me where to pull over and then handing me their ID, but hurting my feelings for asking me not to knock on their window. Risk alert through the roof.
He wasn't suspended for telling him to roll it down or for asking him to step out. And if you were in fact LEO for two decades you know that. He was suspended for HOW they pulled him out and what they did after.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:45 pm to Indefatigable
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The mere act of rolling it up while being told to keep it down allows that leeway.
Never happened.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:46 pm to Indefatigable
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He was suspended for HOW they pulled him out and what they did after
Correct,
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getting suspended for pulling millionaires out of McLarens
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:47 pm to Sao
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Never happened.
Then we are watching/listening to two entirely separate videos I guess. I clearly hear the officer at Hill's window telling him "keep it down" around the 23-24 second mark. Do you not?
You can plainly hear "keep it down....keep that window down" in that timeframe where the bodycam officer turns back towards the bikes.
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 11:50 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:49 pm to Indefatigable
Nope. BTW, where is his body cam footage? Seems more logical to release it as well.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:51 pm to Sao
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Nope.
So transcribe for me what you hear from the officers in the 23-30 second time frame. I don't know how you can hear anything other than "keep it down....hey...keep that window down."
This post was edited on 9/9/24 at 11:52 pm
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:52 pm to Sao
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:54 pm to Indefatigable
That was at the :26-:27 mark. Not before it was already up. There was no request to keep it down before that.
Posted on 9/9/24 at 11:57 pm to Sao
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That was at the :26-:27 mark. Not before it was already up. There was no request to keep it down before that.
How does the timestamp change the substance of what I am saying? He was told to keep it down.
Again, none of that excuses what came after that. But your fixation on whether or not he had to roll his window down is silly. The officers absolutely, without equivocation, were within the law to demand that he roll the window back down (or step out of the vehicle). The MANNER in which they eventually did that was ridiculous, but the absolutely were within their authority to require one or both of those things.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:01 am to Indefatigable
You started the timestamp narrative, not me. He rolled it up as is his right. The cops escalated from there, even after he lowered it again. Threatened to break out an already lowered window in fact.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:12 am to Sao
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You started the timestamp narrative, not me
And I was off for like two seconds.
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He rolled it up as is his right.
Correct.
But it is not his right to refuse the officers reasonable and lawful order to roll it back down completely. Its a blacked out window. They have lawful authority to require it be down entirely.
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The cops escalated from there
After he did so, right as they were opening the door (at which point they were completely aware that he posed zero threat) absolutely. It is all on the officers after that point.
No. You do not have a "right" to roll up or crack your blacked out window at a traffic stop.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:27 am to Sao
Do yall argue just to argue? Holy frick.
It all boils down to respect. Idgaf if you a NFL player or a cop. You give respect and expect it back. Once you start off being a dick then expect it in return.
It's on camera him speeding through the area and it shows how fast that bike cop had to go to catch up. There were 2 bike cops sitting on the opposite road as he flew by. Didn't look like 100 though. Most likely felony speeding. Could have been on his merry way but started mouthing to the cop,"don't tap on my window like that bro".
I didn't have much opinion on him before but after this and then hearing his interview, he is a piece of shite. And the coach oh my, what a cuck. Why does this need to go down the racist hole. It had nothing to do with him being black and everything do with him being a dick.
Again simple traffic stop made bigger by having no respect.
Now that cop was entirely too aggressive with the other teammates. That's where he fricked up and where he will eat shite for that. But frick tyreek.
It all boils down to respect. Idgaf if you a NFL player or a cop. You give respect and expect it back. Once you start off being a dick then expect it in return.
It's on camera him speeding through the area and it shows how fast that bike cop had to go to catch up. There were 2 bike cops sitting on the opposite road as he flew by. Didn't look like 100 though. Most likely felony speeding. Could have been on his merry way but started mouthing to the cop,"don't tap on my window like that bro".
I didn't have much opinion on him before but after this and then hearing his interview, he is a piece of shite. And the coach oh my, what a cuck. Why does this need to go down the racist hole. It had nothing to do with him being black and everything do with him being a dick.
Again simple traffic stop made bigger by having no respect.
Now that cop was entirely too aggressive with the other teammates. That's where he fricked up and where he will eat shite for that. But frick tyreek.
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:31 am to Chad504boy
Cops don't pull you over to bring good tidings and wish you a merry Christmas. They generally pull you over to take your money, or your freedom by putting you in a cage.
Most people are not going to exchange pleasantries in those scenarios.
We also have rights like freedom of speech and the right to redress our grievances with our goverment and public officials.
In the private sector teenage kids working for 14 bucks an hour at Chick-fil-A sometimes get rude or unruly customers and manage to remain professional.
In the public sector it cost well over six figures in salary, medical, retirement, and whatever other benefits for each officer. We have the right to expect officers to take shite and remain professional. Why do you think public service should be held to a lower standard than service industry of the private sector?
Most people are not going to exchange pleasantries in those scenarios.
We also have rights like freedom of speech and the right to redress our grievances with our goverment and public officials.
In the private sector teenage kids working for 14 bucks an hour at Chick-fil-A sometimes get rude or unruly customers and manage to remain professional.
In the public sector it cost well over six figures in salary, medical, retirement, and whatever other benefits for each officer. We have the right to expect officers to take shite and remain professional. Why do you think public service should be held to a lower standard than service industry of the private sector?
Posted on 9/10/24 at 12:33 am to geauxturbo
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Yes, I'm the dumbass
I think any rational person can see that you damn well may be!
20 years in law enforcement and over 20 minutes to compose/post a reply and this is what you produce...
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Yes, I'm the dumbass getting suspended for pulling millionaires out of McLarens because they rolled their window up after first asking me where to pull over and then handing me their ID, but hurting my feelings for asking me not to knock on their window. Risk alert through the roof.
As smart as you are, I pray you survive 10 more years.
Let me help you out...
suspended - probably with pay while an IA investigation ensues...seems standard
millionaire - not relevant to the situation
McLaren - again, not relevant to the situation
"they rolled their window up after first asking me where to pull over" - i did not hear this in any of the recordings that i watched
"asking me not to knock on their window" - i definitely don't recall that, i think he was asking "why does he keep knocking on my window"
One officer (out of several) applied a non-lethal continuum of force to a subject that initially appeared to be non-compliant. Compliance was quickly, safely, and effectively gained!
You might argue that the aggressiveness in having the already handcuffed subject transition from a standing to a seated position was unnecessary, but it also appeared to be quickly and safely executed resulting in no injury to the subject, the officers, or any bystanders.
It appears that the subject was then issued citations and released.
I'm actually glad that at least one of those officers had the fortitude to do his job despite the garbage excuses that you presented.
If you truly believe the bullshite that you posted, then there is little doubt in my mind that any law enforcement agency you may have been associated with is improved by your absence!
As for your prayers, save them for officers that are too soft or are (for whatever reason) afraid to force compliance, thereby emboldening the disorderly and belligerent.
Just hope that your prayers are more effective than your bullshite attitude toward policing!
This post was edited on 9/10/24 at 12:35 am
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