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re: Tylenol beat Trump by eight years.

Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:20 pm to
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:20 pm to
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because the spike directly correlates with the changes in diagnosis
It fails to account for the rise in non-verbals consistent with a rise in new cases

Were they unable to diagnose non-verbals because they blended so well?
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:21 pm to
Because the tweet was a reply to a since deleted tweet.
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:32 pm to
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Why can't I see this tweet if I go to their Twitter page?



Because the tweet is 8 years old. EIGHT years old. Most of y’all can’t or don’t read.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:33 pm to
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How is this even a political issue??
We are a nation that revolves around Trump

There is one group of people that are 100% down with whatever he says or does. They will gleefully contort their morality to accommodate anything he says or does. These people make up a loud, but small percentage of the right in our country. If Trump said cyanide is good for you, there would be thousands dead.

There is another group of people that are 100% opposed to whatever he says or does. They will gleefully contort their morality to repudiate anything he says or does. This is a larger percentage of the American left, but not as loud per capita as the MAGA right. If Trump said cyanide was dangerous, there would be millions of dead democrats.
Posted by beaverfever
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:33 pm to
Why are people so surprised to hear you need to be a little cautious with acetaminophen? Thought that was common knowledge.
Posted by Roaad
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:35 pm to
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Why are people so surprised to hear you need to be a little cautious with acetaminophen?
Trump admin said it, so now if you don't take it while pregnant, Hitler wins.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:40 pm to
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Why are people so surprised to hear you need to be a little cautious with acetaminophen?
People aren’t. People were shocked to hear the president of the us say shite like this though:

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And I will say there are parts of the world that don't take Tylenol. I mean, there's a rumor, and I don't know if it's so or not, that Cuba, they don't have Tylenol because they don't have the money for Tylenol, and they have virtually no autism. Okay.


And

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Nothing bad can happen. It can only good happen. But with Tylenol, don't take it) Don't take it.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:40 pm to
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Why are people so surprised to hear you need to be a little cautious with acetaminophen? Thought that was common knowledge.



Because no one at the press conference yesterday said you need to be "a little cautious with acetaminophen"


Trump explicitly said "Don't take Tylenol. If you're pregnant DON'T TAKE IT"
Posted by Gatorbait2008
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:43 pm to
You do not take medical advice from your Doc? Let me guess..you will never take legal advice from a lawyer either!
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:45 pm to
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You know, it's possible to think both RFK and whatever that thing is are both rtarded.


That’s not how things work around here. If you say something negative about one end, it means you fully support the stupidity of the other end.

I don’t make the rules.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:46 pm to
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It fails to account for the rise in non-verbals consistent with a rise in new cases

Were they unable to diagnose non-verbals because they blended so well?


This is one reason why I’m skeptical that the change in diagnosis criteria can account for the 300% spike seen in the past few decades. There are conditions being seen commonly now, you mentioned nonverbal, that were extremely rare almost to the point of being unheard of before the 1990s.

I know many today like to think of anything before the year 2000 as ancient history and that everyone was basically an idiot, but I’m quite certain we’d have noticed if a growing number of kids were nonverbal.

And the spike really didn’t even start 20 years ago when the definition of autism was expanded. It really started growing at the end of the 1970s and start of the 1980s when most people had never even heard of autism.



If you’ll look at the year 2000 on the graph, you’ll see the spike from the change in definition was a drop in the bucket of a disease that had already been exploding for 20 years.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:49 pm to
Trumps official guidance was women with high grade fevers should first try to tough it out

That’s terrifying if anyone listens to that
Posted by NawlinsTiger9
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:53 pm to
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Trumps official guidance was women with high grade fevers should first try to tough it out


Rub some dirt on it, ladies!
Posted by beaverfever
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:54 pm to
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Trump explicitly said "Don't take Tylenol. If you're pregnant DON'T TAKE IT"
It is admittedly one of Trump’s stranger pastimes to give the country medical advice.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:58 pm to
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It fails to account for the rise in non-verbals consistent with a rise in new cases

Were they unable to diagnose non-verbals because they blended so well?


I'm curious where you're deriving data that someone who is ASD is labeled as non-verbal?

I only ask because the F code for billing and diagnosis is the same for all Autism Spectrum Disorders (F84.0) with specifiers but not a specifier that labels non-verbal versus verbal.

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The most recent edition of the DSM, DSM-5, released in 2013, introduced changes to the F84.0 diagnosis. Most notable are a unified diagnosis – merging several previously separate diagnoses (Autistic Disorder, Asperger’s Disorder, Childhood Disintegrative Disorder, and Pervasive Developmental Disorder- Not Otherwise Specified) into a single diagnosis of Autism Spectrum Disorder (F84.0, ASD), a criteria revision (research-based diagnostic criteria now better reflects the spectrum nature of the disorder), introduction of specifiers (Level 1: Requiring Support, Level 2: Requiring Substantial Support, and Level 3: Requiring Very Substantial Support), inclusion of sensory activities as potential symptoms of ASD, and the reduction of the onset criteria (previously stating that symptoms needed to be present before the age of 3, now stating that symptoms must be present in the early developmental period, even if they do not fully manifest until later).


ABA article on Autism coding
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 3:58 pm to
You actually see quite an acceleration beginning in the late 80s.


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The DSM-III, published in 1980, established autism as its own separate diagnosis and described it as a “pervasive developmental disorder” distinct from schizophrenia.

Prior versions of the manual left many aspects of the diagnostic process open to clinicians’ observations and interpretations, but the DSM-III listed specific criteria required for a diagnosis. It defined three essential features of autism: a lack of interest in people, severe impairments in communication and bizarre responses to the environment, all developing in the first 30 months of life.


The DSM-III was revised in 1987, significantly altering the autism criteria. It broadened the concept of autism by adding a diagnosis at the mild end of the spectrum — pervasive developmental disorder-not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS) — and dropping the requirement for onset before 30 months.



That's a major revision. Essentially, prior to 1987, if the doctors didn't diagnose you with autism by 2.5, you were never going to be considered autistic. That all changed in 1987, along with a broadening of the diagnostic criteria.

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In 1966, researchers estimated that about 1 in 2,500 children had autism, according to criteria derived from Kanner’s description. This and other early estimates of prevalence probably focused on children at the severe end of the spectrum and missed those with subtler features.

Autism didn’t make its debut in the DSM until 1980. In 1987, a new edition expanded the criteria by allowing a diagnosis even if the traits became apparent only after 30 months of age. To garner a diagnosis, a child needed to meet 8 of 16 criteria, rather than all 6 of the previous items. These changes may have caused the condition’s prevalence to tick above 1 in 1,400.

Then, in 1991, the U.S. Department of Education ruled that a diagnosis of autism qualifies a child for special education services. Before this time, many children with autism may instead have been listed as having intellectual disability. The change may have encouraged families to get a diagnosis of autism for their child. The number of children who have both a diagnosis of autism and intellectual disability has also risen steadily over the years.

In 1994, the fourth edition of the DSM broadened the definition of autism even further, by including Asperger syndrome on the milder end of the spectrum. The current version, the DSM-5, was released in 2013, and collapsed autism, Asperger syndrome and pervasive developmental disorder-not otherwise specified into a single diagnosis.
This post was edited on 9/24/25 at 4:24 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:01 pm to
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It is admittedly one of Trump’s stranger pastimes to give the country medical advice.



Agreed.

But you have to admit that this week's press conference was a far cry from "hey I know we all know this already, but just a reminder to take caution while using acetaminophen"
Posted by billjamin
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:05 pm to
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They will gleefully contort their morality to accommodate anything he says or does.

Reminds me of a quote i once saw
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If he acts like a devil, he has brought forth a doctrine that will save us, if we will abide it. He may get drunk every day of his life, sleep with his neighbor's wife every night, run horses and gamble, I do not care anything about that, for I never embrace any man in my faith.
Posted by lsupride87
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:08 pm to
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But you have to admit that this week's press conference was a far cry from "hey I know we all know this already, but just a reminder to take caution while using acetaminophen"
Go look at the political board. They lock step say this is precisely the message Trump gave
Posted by Kjnstkmn
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Posted on 9/24/25 at 4:24 pm to
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