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re: Tulsa cop charged with first-degree manslaughter
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:22 pm to PearlJam
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:22 pm to PearlJam
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It isn't real clear if he was or wasn't.
The news dudes in this video are pathetic.
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They are saying "he was doing everything a police officer expects you to do. He had his hands up, walking slowly". And one of the guys in the helicopter says "he looks like a bad dude" and the news people were saying its an example that police only see color.
The whole argument "she didn't know what he was reaching for" to justify why she shouldn't have shot him is completely unreasonable. The fact that she didn't know what he was reaching for is a reason to shoot. But even before he was shot, if he would not have walked away he would probably be alive today. The second you start disobeying orders, whether the police does everything the way they are suppose to or not, you are putting yourself at risk for something to happen.
Who is to say he didn't discriminate because the officer was a female? He might have assumed, since she was a female, she wasn't going to do anything aggressive.
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Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:23 pm to saint tiger225
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So she gets charged for manslaughter when he wasn't obeying lawful commands?
In fairness, he was sentenced to death for failing to obey those commands
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:24 pm to baldona
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was on your side until this. You are absolutely wrong. When the situation is life and death as in the cops have their gun pulled on you, then not obeying is grounds for being shot. If the window was not down, what other reason does he have to walk to the drivers side of his car? If there is no reason, than that is just testament that he was acting delusional or on drugs.
It Was not a life or death situation for the cop. I can't believe you are saying that disobeying commands is grounds for being shot. That may be your belief. But the law and Supreme Court is not on your side on that one. Plain and simple. Factual.
And you are right there was no reason for him to walk to the car. He certainly wasn't going for a weapon, because there was none. He was on PCP or at least she thought he was and some was found in the car. Being on drugs is also not grounds for a shoot and kill.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:24 pm to tigerpimpbot
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In fairness, he was sentenced to death for failing to obey those commands
He was "sentenced to death" for putting the police officers life in jeopardy, not for simply ignoring harmless requests.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:25 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Let me give you a common sense lesson, disobeying commands by a law enforcement officer means you're liable for anything that happens from that point forward. No pity from me
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:27 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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It Was not a life or death situation for the cop
How in the world was she supposed to know that? He wasn't obeying their commands and he was escalating a very dangerous situation without fear for anyone. Has he not watched any news this year?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:27 pm to thegreatboudini
I endorse this message. Have an upvote sir.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:28 pm to OweO
quote:I think it is highly debatable and is a very fact specific analysis. One that a jury will get to decide and probably should.
The whole argument "she didn't know what he was reaching for" to justify why she shouldn't have shot him is completely unreasonable. The fact that she didn't know what he was reaching for is a reason to shoot
quote:No one said he didn't discriminate. It is completely irrelevant to the discussion of the officer being charged for manslaughter.
Who is to say he didn't discriminate because the officer was a female? He might have assumed, since she was a female, she wasn't going to do anything aggressive
This post was edited on 9/22/16 at 4:29 pm
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
none of us can see what is the correct route in this case without the facts that they have collected. Whatever they may be just let them use that in court to decide. I just wish the would drop the white/black thing. or just riot for no reason.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:29 pm to thegreatboudini
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Let me give you a common sense lesson, disobeying commands by a law enforcement officer means you're liable for anything that happens from that point forward.
Just because you want that to be true does not make it so.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:29 pm to thegreatboudini
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Let me give you a common sense lesson, disobeying commands by a law enforcement officer means you're liable for anything that happens from that point forward. No pity from me
The legal eagles at Tulsa DA Office seem to disagree with you.
Personally I am awaiting all of the evidence in court, as you should too.
If she's innocent it will come out.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:31 pm to LSUTANGERINE
Well it is true. The guys dead because of his own doing, and the officer will get probation, pay a fine and lose her job.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:32 pm to Crusty
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He was "sentenced to death" for putting the police officers life in jeopardy, not for simply ignoring harmless requests.
That's for a jury to find out now. Someone in the DA's office thought they could convict her of manslaughter. The real question is what did they see that you didn't?
"Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 8" right?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:36 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Poor girl.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:38 pm to TigerOnTheMountain
I think white people should riot. While rioting, we clean up the street and direct traffic.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:40 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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He certainly wasn't going for a weapon, because there was none.
You should leave this out. Whether he had a gun or not shouldn't even matter. How is she supposed to know he doesn't. Dude was off his rocker and acting crazy
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:43 pm to Crusty
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That's just it! How is she supposed to know what he has in there? If that was you and your adrenaline was pumping because you have a gun pointed at another human and he is refusing to obey your orders which put both you and him in danger...would you honestly wait and see what he pulls out of that window before you decide whether or not to shoot? You sir, have HUGE balls. Me...my life is worth more than that and I'm protecting myself. Sorry, I'm not going to get killed just because I'm afraid of what internet forums will think of me.
Just telling you what any law officer is taught. Four elements of deadly force weren't in place.
And if anyone thinks I'm excusing the actions of that dumbfrick who got shot, I'm not. But, by the letter of the law, if he didn't have a weapon, she was wrong.
This is straight from what is taught from fifteen years of federal law enforcement training that is drummed into our heads on a monthly (shite, seems daily) basis.
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:47 pm to zsav77
Perfect, someone with some actual training that can speak intelligently. Four elements? Can you expound on this as I am curious about how you are supposed to handle a situation like this. Judging from your post, I assume you will say she was supposed to wait and see what this lunatic was going to get from him vehicle before she acted?
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:47 pm to Byrdybyrd05
This was done to calm the masses, she will be proven not guilty at trial, lose her job and disappear..
Posted on 9/22/16 at 4:51 pm to rsbd
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This was done to calm the masses
Once again there were not any riots or people massing in the streets. There have been some events held at churches and such, this isn't Ferguson.
The number of people that CC and own guns in this city could make things very ugly if something broke out.
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