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Trying to help a friend evaluate a job offer...
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:59 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:59 am
Here's some background info
His current job has very little to offer regarding growth and upward mobility, but there is very little stress, no one calls him for anything once he leaves the office, and he never has to bring work home. He also can take his vacation time whenever he wants to. He's able to telecommute at least once every other week. His salary is a little bit below market value for his field, but he has absolutely no stress at all. There's no bonus potential in his job either. He said that he's getting tired of having no growth in his career and doing the same ol' stuff everyday, but it's hard for him to leave where he is b/c it's so stress free.
He was recently offered a job at a chemical plant. He said they offered him $10k more than what he's making now, matched his current vacation time, and there's a bonus potential of 12% of his salary. He's worried b/c the requirements of the job will have him traveling between three different sites for shutdowns/turnarounds and he'll be on call 24x7. He also has concerns about the culture b/c a previous co-worker told him that the work environment wasn't all that great with management constantly calling you when you are supposed to be off.
He's been racking his brain over what to do the past few days. I've been trying to help him with the pros and cons of his dilemma. He has a deadline today to provide a response. I'm just wondering what some of y'all would do if you were confronted with a similar situation. As I see it, he has three choices he could make with each having its own consequences.
Option 1
Stay where he is and say nothing to his current employer since it's comfortable and wait until he finds what he's actually looking for that will make him happy.
Option 2
Go after the money knowing that it will potentially add more stress to his life. It probably will be very hard to deal with for a year or two, but once he got the hang of it he'll eventually be able to manage the responsibilities and in two years he'll look back and be glad he made the jump.
Option 3
Since he said he's in good standing with his current employer, he could possibly use the offer to leverage for more money. But he must be ready to leave if his current employer balks. This option is very risky.
These are the three things I told him and he asked me what I would do if I was in this situation. I told him that I really didn't know. Option 2 could really change his quality of life and has good and bad consequences. He could make a lot more money, but is it worth not seeing your family as much or having to get up and leave in the middle of your son's ball game because you got an emergency call at one of the sites your responsible for. Those are some really tough decisions. As you can see, I was no help with talking him through all this.
His current job has very little to offer regarding growth and upward mobility, but there is very little stress, no one calls him for anything once he leaves the office, and he never has to bring work home. He also can take his vacation time whenever he wants to. He's able to telecommute at least once every other week. His salary is a little bit below market value for his field, but he has absolutely no stress at all. There's no bonus potential in his job either. He said that he's getting tired of having no growth in his career and doing the same ol' stuff everyday, but it's hard for him to leave where he is b/c it's so stress free.
He was recently offered a job at a chemical plant. He said they offered him $10k more than what he's making now, matched his current vacation time, and there's a bonus potential of 12% of his salary. He's worried b/c the requirements of the job will have him traveling between three different sites for shutdowns/turnarounds and he'll be on call 24x7. He also has concerns about the culture b/c a previous co-worker told him that the work environment wasn't all that great with management constantly calling you when you are supposed to be off.
He's been racking his brain over what to do the past few days. I've been trying to help him with the pros and cons of his dilemma. He has a deadline today to provide a response. I'm just wondering what some of y'all would do if you were confronted with a similar situation. As I see it, he has three choices he could make with each having its own consequences.
Option 1
Stay where he is and say nothing to his current employer since it's comfortable and wait until he finds what he's actually looking for that will make him happy.
Option 2
Go after the money knowing that it will potentially add more stress to his life. It probably will be very hard to deal with for a year or two, but once he got the hang of it he'll eventually be able to manage the responsibilities and in two years he'll look back and be glad he made the jump.
Option 3
Since he said he's in good standing with his current employer, he could possibly use the offer to leverage for more money. But he must be ready to leave if his current employer balks. This option is very risky.
These are the three things I told him and he asked me what I would do if I was in this situation. I told him that I really didn't know. Option 2 could really change his quality of life and has good and bad consequences. He could make a lot more money, but is it worth not seeing your family as much or having to get up and leave in the middle of your son's ball game because you got an emergency call at one of the sites your responsible for. Those are some really tough decisions. As you can see, I was no help with talking him through all this.

Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:59 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Aint nobody reading all of that.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:59 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
He must suck a good dick for you to type all that shite.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 8:59 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
With the book that you wrote, it makes me think that you are actually taking OT advice seriously.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:01 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Jesus Christ. Man
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:01 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
quote:Quality >>>>> Quantity
Option 1 Stay where he is and say nothing to his current employer since it's comfortable and wait until he finds what he's actually looking for that will make him happy.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:02 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
With option 3, he will lose his job now or within a year. Does he value money or time more? That will answer your question.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:02 am to BigPerm30
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This post was edited on 3/13/18 at 9:04 am
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:03 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Just let him be a stay at home hubby while you provide.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:03 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
He needs to decide the extent of his bullshite meter.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:03 am to Landmass
quote:
With the book that you wrote, it makes me think that you are actually taking OT advice seriously.
Look at his history of threads that he’s started.
Dude can’t take a shite without asking the OT
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:03 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
If he has no family, I’d say take the more stressful job for more pay.
If he has a family and values his family time, I’d stay as long as my current salary made ends meet.
If he has a family and values his family time, I’d stay as long as my current salary made ends meet.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:04 am to Landmass
quote:
With the book that you wrote, it makes me think that you are actually taking OT advice seriously.
I basically copied and paste some emails that we were exchanging back and forth. I didn't type that much

Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:06 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
No way I would leave a stress free job for one with 24/7 call for only $10k more.
Never bank on a bonus, so that part doesn't even factor in for me. A lot of companies put that in an offer but don't explain all of the caveats involved in getting anywhere close to the amount they mention is possible.
My rule of thumb is 20% increase in salary to leave a job you like, and that's only for another similar job. To go from no call to 24/7 call I wouldn't even think about it for less than a 35%+ pay increase.
Option 4 - negotiate with the new company for a higher salary.
Never bank on a bonus, so that part doesn't even factor in for me. A lot of companies put that in an offer but don't explain all of the caveats involved in getting anywhere close to the amount they mention is possible.
My rule of thumb is 20% increase in salary to leave a job you like, and that's only for another similar job. To go from no call to 24/7 call I wouldn't even think about it for less than a 35%+ pay increase.
Option 4 - negotiate with the new company for a higher salary.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:07 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Was in the same position many years ago and I chose the new job.
Major mistake. Choose lower stress unless the compensation is much much higher and it only increases stress minimum
Major mistake. Choose lower stress unless the compensation is much much higher and it only increases stress minimum
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:08 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Mo money, mo problems
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:08 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
quote:
Option 3
He may miss some of Timmy's t-ball games but he can afford a week long vacation to Italy in the summer.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:09 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
quote:
he'll be on call 24x7
This is the deal breaker. I’ve done this before and it is torture. You can’t make plans to do anything. You can’t ever drink a beer. There’s a price for me to never drink again. 10k a year is not it.
Posted on 3/13/18 at 9:10 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Isn't it possible if he does a good job, the stress would be lower at the new job?
Plus, he's listening to people there that don't have the opportunity he has or they are spurned over something.
You are confusing stress with responsibility....more $$ means more responsibilities
Plus, he's listening to people there that don't have the opportunity he has or they are spurned over something.
You are confusing stress with responsibility....more $$ means more responsibilities
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