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re: Trending video about Confederate Romanticism in the South
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:45 am to Napoleon
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:45 am to Napoleon
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I remember when I had a fricking teacher try and say "the civil war wasn't about slavery it was about state's right's"
you had a good history teacher then...maybe you should have paid more attention...slavery was a driving issue...and it was wrong...but it was the law of the land in that day....right or wrong...and southern states were fed up with being forced to honor their obligations to the union when in fact northern states were not....they tried to address these things in Congress...but got nowhere...lets not forget that SC had threatened secession 20 something years before and it had nothing to do with slavery...but oh yeah...nobody wants to discuss actual history...just what makes them feel warm and fuzzy and makes them think they are making up for their white guilt...
TL;DR yes slavery was wrong...but it was about states rights
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Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:45 am to GreatLakesTiger24
Yeah, that's my point. But it's hard to justify one without the other.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:46 am to Napoleon
effects are STILL FELT TODAY?
My God you are brainwashed. Nobody in the USs great great grandfather was even a slave.
get off your lazy arse, quit blaming society for your problems and move on with your life like everyone else.
i’m so sick of the pity party for people who have the same opportunity’s as everyone else but cry restitution
the acadians were kicked off their land, separated from their families, and their possessions stolen BUT you don’t hear anyone of us complaining saying “the effects are still felt today for what the British did to us” lmao
My God you are brainwashed. Nobody in the USs great great grandfather was even a slave.
get off your lazy arse, quit blaming society for your problems and move on with your life like everyone else.
i’m so sick of the pity party for people who have the same opportunity’s as everyone else but cry restitution
the acadians were kicked off their land, separated from their families, and their possessions stolen BUT you don’t hear anyone of us complaining saying “the effects are still felt today for what the British did to us” lmao
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:46 am to Napoleon
Mississippi
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Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery—the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin…
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:47 am to Napoleon
Louisiana
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As a separate republic, Louisiana remembers too well the whisperings of European diplomacy for the abolition of slavery in the times of annexation not to be apprehensive of bolder demonstrations from the same quarter and the North in this country. The people of the slave holding States are bound together by the same necessity and determination to preserve African slavery
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:48 am to TH03
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Are the other parties still waving their old flag and celebrating everything it represented while conveniently ignoring slavery?
You realize my response isn't directed to you, right? You want to have a sissy fight with someone, pick someone else. You aren't worth my time.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:48 am to bigrob385series
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I agree,so is my statement true or false?
False. They weren't sold by "their own." They were conquered and sold by their enemies.
The fact that the conquerors and the conquered shared the same melanin content is irrelevant.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:48 am to Napoleon
But, oh please do tell me again how slavery wasn't the root cause? Because to me, it looks like at the time it as clearly known to be about slavery.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:49 am to GetCocky11
and how was it handled without any uproar? Not a single other country went to war for slavery.
HMM WONDER WHY.
maybe the government paid them off or subsidized it?? Why didn’t they try that with the south?
OH YEA because the south was paying for 75% of the greedy federal government who were definitely not going to think of something practical to handle the situation
HMM WONDER WHY.
maybe the government paid them off or subsidized it?? Why didn’t they try that with the south?
OH YEA because the south was paying for 75% of the greedy federal government who were definitely not going to think of something practical to handle the situation
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:50 am to SthGADawg
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it was about states rights
To do what?
What were they afraid they would lose the right to do?
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:51 am to TbirdSpur2010
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False. They weren't sold by "their own." They were conquered and sold by their enemies.
The fact that the conquerors and the conquered shared the same melanin content is irrelevant.
Not really. This same thing still goes on today in extremely remote tribes. Conquerors during tribal wars either kill or enslave the conquered.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:51 am to SthGADawg
quote:
lets not forget that SC had threatened secession 20 something years before and it had nothing to do with slavery.
But SC didn't secede, a political solution was found, and Jackson didn't have to f up SC like he threatened.
quote:
but it was about states rights
States rights about owning slaves.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:51 am to SthGADawg
I'm very well versed in history. The South Carolina nullification of the 1820's was over a tarrif. Jackson flatly told SC, if they seceede they will be invaded. Had Buchanan done the same, maybe things would have gone differently.
Also, how can I take history talk from a guy who can't spell Napoleon when it's in front of his face, BugAC? Lol
Also, how can I take history talk from a guy who can't spell Napoleon when it's in front of his face, BugAC? Lol
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:53 am to Napoleon
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Also, how can I take history talk from a guy who can't spell Napoleon when it's in front of his face, BugAC? Lol
I post a reasoned and rational response to you, and that is all you have to say? Go to your safe space. It seems emotions run your life.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:53 am to 25smeckles
quote:The ones that were coerced into fighting unless they'd be put to death or re-enslaved?
where is the history about 30,000 free slaves fighting for the south?
quote:The ones that owned family members and brought non family members to protect them. You know they worked along side their "slaves" don't you?
or the part where there were black slave owners, which meant some blacks were in the top 1% of the time?
quote:Investment? Wow
or the part where you find out each slave cost around 20 grand in our money today and how they just had to let what they invested in walk away because the North wanted us to pay for 75% of the federal government in a nicer way?
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or the part where some slaves were treated so well that they returned back to the plantations they were put on?
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:53 am to BugAC
It was a legitimate question Mr rational.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:53 am to LucasP
When LucasP is serous he makes good points. L o l
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:53 am to Napoleon
dude you are beating a dead horse,
I have no problem saying the top 1% or politicians were fighting for their slaves
all i’m saying is that is not why the 95% of confederate soldiers who didn’t own slaves fought. Who in the hell would fight for the rich man’s property?
read the memoirs and listen to the tapes of southern vets and you will realize there was a lot more at play
I have no problem saying the top 1% or politicians were fighting for their slaves
all i’m saying is that is not why the 95% of confederate soldiers who didn’t own slaves fought. Who in the hell would fight for the rich man’s property?
read the memoirs and listen to the tapes of southern vets and you will realize there was a lot more at play
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:54 am to TH03
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It was a legitimate question Mr rational.
Legitimacy equals facts, not your preconceived notions, generalizations, or other asinine things that wander into your head.
Posted on 10/26/17 at 8:54 am to 25smeckles
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something practical to handle the situation
The South attempting to end the USA because they couldn't see any way to power the economy sans chattel slavery was DEFINITELY practical.
U rite.
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