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re: Tracking People Killed By Police in 2017

Posted on 4/2/17 at 8:43 pm to
Posted by Pico de Gallo
Member since Aug 2016
1894 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 8:43 pm to
WaPo has the best breakdown of it.

LINK
Posted by gobuxgo5
Member since Nov 2012
10243 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 8:54 pm to
I firmly believe the stats correlate of the % of people brought up in a stable family home. Unfortunately blacks are more likely to not have dads. Are the dads racist? No. A disproportionate amount of black youth are finding trouble because of this and it's a shame
This post was edited on 4/2/17 at 8:55 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120234 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:03 pm to
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The dude's twin sister is an idiot.


I understand its her brother and she is going to defend him, but the dude was on PCP.

He was not communicating with the offer at all. He just had his hands up, walking to his vehicle while she is commanding him to stop. If someone has a gun pointed at them and they fail to obey orders, they are pretty much asking to be shot.. Not to mention if they walk to their vehicle and reach inside, as they are looking back at the person who has their gun pointed at them. I don't know how anyone can argue how that could not be a legit shooting.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120234 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:05 pm to
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Are we also tracking officers that have been killed in the line of duty during 2017?





I will put that info together after I finish this.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120234 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:12 pm to
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The thing with the Terence Crutcher situation is, frankly, not unlike many others with black victims. One viable way to explain the situation would be to say that Crutcher "wasn't doing anything" to warrant getting shot. But I'll never understand why people would make this argument when he wasn't helping himself by being mobile and reaching into his car. The LEO doesn't know what's on the other side of the door. More situational awareness and firm compliance would have saved his life. I think the officer gets off if the charge stays as first-degree manslaughter.



She said his body language indicated that he could have possibly been on PCP. They found PCP in his vehicle and in his blood. It was clear he wasn't acting rational. He was walking towards his vehicle, with his hands up, with someone having a gun pointed at him, instructing him to stop.

Although she didn't know he was on PCP, she said that because of his body language, when she first got to the scene, it appeared he was under the influence. If she thought it was possible he was under the influence, he became a threat right away.
Posted by shamrock
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
4063 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:15 pm to
The differences racially in regards to compliance with police officers is staggering, no link, just anecdotal. There is a defiance within the AA community that seems to honor the resistance and thus glorify the victim. If this would have been a white victim I wouldn't have thought twice regarding his complicity in his own death. This victim was on PCP..PCP..for goodness sake..
Posted by chrome_daddy
LA (Lower Ashvegas)
Member since May 2004
2471 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 9:54 pm to
Your numbers don't add up bro.

To me that immediately calls into question anything you wrote.
Posted by patchesohoulihan_007
Member since Jul 2015
2798 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 10:39 pm to
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And just for reference. The population of the top two races, in the US, from above are: White: 77.1% Black: 13.3%



This information doesn't really tell you anything. The vast majority of the population doesn't deal with the police on a regular basis.

The information you're looking for is the percentage of the races that have delt with the police in the same time frame. That will give you a much more clear picture of what is going on.

I'll go out on a limb and say the percentage of police interaction with blacks is much higher than that of whites. That is based strictly on the incarceration rates.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 10:49 pm to
From the data you have posted compared to the overallpopulation of the U.S. you have a much better chance of getting shot by the police if you are black or Hispanic.
Posted by stinkdawg
Savannah, smoking by the gas cans
Member since Aug 2014
4072 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 11:13 pm to
Those poor white people that just found out that they are 3% American Indian. Cut down in their prime.
American Indian and feather. Not dot. Anyone that questions this is a racist.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
133441 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 11:18 pm to
quote:

I'll go out on a limb and say the percentage of police interaction with blacks is much higher than that of whites. That is based strictly on the incarceration rates.


Aren't the biggest police forces in urban areas?

And aren't urban areas where much of the crime happens?

And aren't many of these high crime areas predominantly black, or Hispanic in the southwest?

So wouldn't the rates of police interaction be naturally higher with those populations in those areas?
Posted by Beessnax
Member since Nov 2015
10806 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 11:23 pm to
The only reason we hear so much about it is media corporate profit. It's an emotionally charged topic for many, and they allow themselves to be manipulated into watching "complete coverage" 24/7. This makes millions for the media.

By way of comparison, more Americans die from opiate overdoses in just 2 days than all police shootings so far this year among all races combined. Yet, we don't hear a peep.
Why? Again... Corporate profit.



Posted by IceTiger
Really hot place
Member since Oct 2007
26584 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 11:35 pm to

correlation between violence and getting shot by cops

quote:


In 2013, number and percentage of murder arrests by race were:

Black or African Americans 4,379 = 52.2%
White Americans (including Hispanic Americans) 3,799 = 45.3%
American Indians or Alaska Natives 98 = 1.06%
Asian Americans 101 = 1.2%



It's skewed in the black population's favor when compared to contacts between cops/violent crime doers...

However, there are other stats that prove cops do push blacks around more, even though statistically, they kill them less often/violent crime offense.

I think they can just engage and kill the white dudes doing violence and they won't recieve a bunch of flack for it.
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 11:38 pm to
It's alarming when the # of minorities killed is well over half. How many more times do cops get away with the killing of people of color compared to white people? Honestly I'd say it's 90% scott free regardless of race. Just look at Walter Scott, Alton Sterling, Oscar Grant, Freddie Gray, Kelly Thomas etc etc. Its extremely alarming how many people of all races are murdered by cops yet their loved ones don't get justice just a check.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
296951 posts
Posted on 4/2/17 at 11:42 pm to
I imagine you can track them all to the morgue.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
49125 posts
Posted on 4/3/17 at 6:52 am to
What is so hard about tracking them? They are not going anywhere.
Posted by redstick13
Lower Saxony
Member since Feb 2007
40414 posts
Posted on 4/3/17 at 7:08 am to
Can we get some numbers of people shot by the police who survived?
Posted by PrivatePublic
Member since Nov 2012
17848 posts
Posted on 4/3/17 at 7:14 am to
quote:

It's alarming when the # of minorities killed is well over half.


No, it isn't. Crimes don't follow normal distributions, because most people don't commit them.
Posted by seeinspots
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2014
1101 posts
Posted on 4/3/17 at 7:35 am to
Crutcher's twin sister displayed the ignorant thinking that probably gets more people shot and the media attention they dont deserve by asking why did the officer want him to comply. Then she asked what crime was being committed. If I get pulled over for speeding I am still presumed innocent until I go to court and proven otherwise . But, I pull over anyway. I dont ask "why does he want me to comply " or "what law does he think I broke" and then speed off.
Posted by Hangit
The Green Swamp
Member since Aug 2014
45434 posts
Posted on 4/3/17 at 7:39 am to
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Blacks- 48 28%


Since blacks commit about 55% of violent crimes, does their being only 28% of the people killed by LEO's prove that, once again, blacks are shorted by the man?
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