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What a bunch of cowards. Police walk around all day with full body armor like they are in Baghdad. The chances they survive an encounter like this with their training and body armor are very high.

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You are trained to go to gunshots...but patrol units usually do not have breaching tools so I could see how that could cause a problem initially with the first couple of officers that responded.

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Such a situation would probably grant a degree of excuse for why they didn’t immediately breach the door when they arrived.

But there have since been photos of the Uvalde PD’s SWAT team, which would suggest that they had the tools, such as a battering ram, available at least somewhere in the vicinity. And those tools should have been on-site well before 60 minutes elapsed after the initial call went out of an active shooter.

Edit: Of course, with the degree to which this SWAT equipment is more about cosplaying than actual police work, who knows if they were even aware of what they had in their SWAT inventory?

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But here’s a truth you don’t acknowledge, that even if they had accessed the classroom sooner, it’s not known that any additional lives would have been saved. It is believed that the shooter shot everyone in that room in the first 4 minutes.

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That’s not a truth. Assuming everyone’s dead while shots are still being heard is the mother of all frickups in an active shooter situation.

It doesn’t matter if you’re not sure if it will save additional lives… you have to assume it can.

You obviously have your mind made up and I’m not going to change your mind with the knowledge I have on this topic.

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Such a situation would probably grant a degree of excuse for why they didn’t immediately breach the door when they arrived.

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Exactly. That is what I'm saying. Although there training is to "rush" the shooter...the barricaded door would have stopped the first few that got there.

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Breaching doors at schools can be difficult due to them being very sturdy and using metal door frames.

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With a halligan tool and a sledge hammer, with a metal door and frame can be opened very quickly. I’ve done it myself.

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1) Can you post evidence of this? Not just kids calling from other classrooms, but the room with the shooter?

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Students In The Room With The Killer Called 911 Many Times

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Miah said she was scared the gunman would return to her classroom to kill her and a few other surviving friends. So, she dipped her hands in the blood of a classmate -- who lay next to her, already dead -- and then smeared the blood all over herself to play dead.

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She said afterward, she overheard talk of police waiting outside the school. As she recounted this part of the story to CNN, she started crying, saying she just didn't understand why they didn't come inside and rescue them

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She also goes on to describe how she laid next to an injured student that was breathing for a while but then stopped. So these cowards potentially could have saved one of those 21 lives had they just done their jobs

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) If so, did the officers on scene know that this was happening? Please show me a link to this information.

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You are literally posting in the thread where all of their recent active shooter training the Uvalde department underwent is listed out for you.

At no point in the training does it say: assume everyone is dead, take your sweet time tazing parents and blocking federal agents from going in because you refuse to

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Is this really the hill you want to die on?

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No one is dying on any hill. I simply asked for evidence that there were kids calling from the barricaded room for an hour. I never heard that and don’t think it’s true.

IF IT IS TRUE, and the cops knew it, then it would change my opinion.

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