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re: Today is the 80th anniversary of Easy Company's attack into the city of Foy, Belgium...
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:23 am to RollTide1987
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:23 am to RollTide1987
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There is conflicting information about the nature of Dike's "incident" outside of Foy. Some say he was wounded in the shoulder, others say he froze on the spot. What isn't in dispute, however, is the fact that throughout his tenure as Easy's commanding officer he appeared indecisive, often delegated important decisions to his subordinates, and caused frustration among his platoon and squad leaders.
Where I do agree with you, however, is the fact that Ambrose gave Dike a raw deal. The man had led soldiers into combat prior to taking command of Easy Company, receiving a bronze star for gallantry and a purple heart. My theory is the man was suffering from a heavy case of PTSD and was mentally incapable of leading troops back into combat.
Dyke got f***ed by Ambrose and Winters.
The more you learn about Winters, the more you find out he had a very petty mean streak to him. Him and Guarnere both went a little vindictive with some of the stories on people they hated for the HBO show, there are quite a few examples out there. Dyke and Winters did not get along at all. Dyke earned quite a few medals for his actions, he wasn't anything like his portrayal. Winters was not a fan of him.
The r/BandofBrothers sub has some really good info about what really happened than what the show/books gave us.
One little tid bit they left out of the show that I learned on that sub that I had no idea had happened, they hated Sobel so much that the medics when doing a training session went against what the training session was about and actually put him under real anesthesia and conducted a fake appendectomy procedure. They made an incision, bound it up with bandages and surgical tape, and then disappeared. This was deliberately left out.
Winters had a much larger part in getting him removed from Easy as well, but they didn't want Winters to look bad. He more or less helped the NCOs with the plan to resign if Sobel stayed in charge instead of looking like he wasn't part of it like in the show.
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 11:34 am
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Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:33 am to RollTide1987
I forgive them because they truly believed they were doing something noble.
They had no way of knowing that Europe and Western Civilisation would be far worse off for their actions.
They had no way of knowing that Europe and Western Civilisation would be far worse off for their actions.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:35 am to SoFla Tideroller
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The Dyke and Blythe accounts by Ambrose are two of the more prominent examples of him fudging easily verifiable facts.
Also Leibgott being Jewish was a surprise to his kids. He raised them Catholic.
Everyone in Easy just thought he was for some reason
Posted on 1/14/25 at 11:54 am to Dam Guide
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, they hated Sobel so much that the medics when doing a training session went against what the training session was about and actually put him under real anesthesia and conducted a fake appendectomy procedure. They made an incision, bound it up with bandages and surgical tape, and then disappeared.
Sounds like Sobel was probably portrayed pretty accurately considering how much almost everyone under his command hated him.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:37 pm to Funky Tide 8
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Sounds like Sobel was probably portrayed pretty accurately considering how much almost everyone under his command hated him.
In general, yeah, he was a very poor field tactician, but everyone acknowledged the shite he put them through forced them to be better soldiers. They purposely tried to avoid anyone having any sympathy for the guy though. Closest they got was the cow incident with teasing him.
Cobb and the whole you didn't jump into Normandy heckling of the new guys was another one where most of the guys thought Cobb was a very likeable person, but he was disliked by the wrong person, so got portrayed as a prick. Webster in his book had a good relationship with Cobb and portrayed him much different.
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 1:38 pm
Posted on 1/14/25 at 1:52 pm to GetCocky11
I read somewhere that the men in Easy company thought he had died of the wound from the sniper. Blythe or the men never got in touch with each other after the war. They all thought he had died.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 2:07 pm to MasterKnight
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I read somewhere that the men in Easy company thought he had died of the wound from the sniper. Blythe or the men never got in touch with each other after the war. They all thought he had died.
Ambrose was just lazy with doing any research outside of interviews with select people.
This post was edited on 1/14/25 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 1/14/25 at 2:10 pm to Dam Guide
buck compton went on to be detective for the Sharon Tate/manson murders
Posted on 1/14/25 at 3:03 pm to RollTide1987
I wonder if we would have pro-German posters on the Political Talk board if this site existed back then.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 3:14 pm to Lakeboy7
Have a Rendezvous with Destiny with my down vote, kind sir..lol
Posted on 1/14/25 at 3:19 pm to Fun Bunch
Well, Steven Spielberg was one of the executive producers of Band of Brothers and his WWII film projects emphasize the Jewish aspect, i.e, Saving Private Ryan.
Posted on 1/14/25 at 3:22 pm to LSURussian
I mean its in the book. The other members thought he was.
His kids say his dad never told them that and raised them Catholic
His kids say his dad never told them that and raised them Catholic
Posted on 1/14/25 at 3:27 pm to RollTide1987
“One day my grandson said to me, grandpa were you a hero in the war? And I said to him no I'm not a hero, but I have served in a company full of them.”
- Major Dick Winters
- Major Dick Winters
Posted on 1/14/25 at 6:49 pm to Fun Bunch
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The other members thought he was.
This is why Ambrose is considered controversial by many in his field. He relied EXCLUSIVELY on eyewitness testimony and failed to do any competent third party research. After a half a century memories tend to fade and become less reliable. Ambrose's downfall was putting these men on untouchable pedestals and taking their word as gospel. As great as their deeds were in the Second World War, these were still fallible men with their own biases and prejudices.
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