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re: Today is the 158th anniversary of the Battle of Shiloh
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:52 am to Prominentwon
Posted on 4/6/20 at 10:52 am to Prominentwon
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This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 6:59 am
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:22 am to RollTide1987
That wilderness is less than 15 minutes from my house and I pass through it 4-5 times a week.
Crazy how used to being there I get when I should always remember the things that have happened there
Crazy how used to being there I get when I should always remember the things that have happened there
Posted on 4/6/20 at 11:30 am to Lakeboy7
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The only reason the casualties are that high were unsupported, piecemeal attacks usually by companies in a tight formation attacking a fixed position. Suicide.
This was the way things were at the beginning of the war because they were amateurs being led by officers who had never commanded large numbers of soldiers before. The total strength of the U.S. Army the day South Carolina seceded from the Union was only 16,000. Before the Battle of First Manassas the largest army any U.S. general had ever commanded in the field was 12,000 men. The armies at First Manassas were more than twice that number and were commanded by men who had been captains and majors in the regular army just months before.
At Shiloh just about everyone on the battlefield had never been in an engagement before. From the officers down to the lowliest private, the vast majority of them were green troops. Two years later, these same men would be some of best-trained, most battle-hardened soldiers on the planet.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:01 pm to Prominentwon
Do a little reading. It was unorganized mass confusion by soldiers who had not seen battle before. Most of them anyways. I’ve been there several times. It is very tough to understand the layout of the battlefield. Tons of trees! Communication broke down quickly. Scores of confederates stopped to plunder the Union campsites during the initial charge. The Confederate General in charge was KIA.I have been to Gettysburg, Fredricksburg, Antietam, Chancellorsville, Petersburg, Cold Harbor, The Wilderness, Franklin, Tn, and quite a few others. Shiloh is a tough battlefield to understand. I could only imagine what it was like for the armies.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:12 pm to OsTiger78
One great-great grandfather killed at Shiloh. Great grandfather severely wounded. Numerous other relatives also at the site, some not related to each other, opposite sides of the family but all related to me.
Been there once. One of the most beautiful places in America. Truly is a place of peace...now.
I could feel the presence of my ancestors when I stood on that battlefield. Call me sentimental but I'm old as hell and don't care what you think.
Stay off my lawn and stay at least six feet away from me.
Been there once. One of the most beautiful places in America. Truly is a place of peace...now.
I could feel the presence of my ancestors when I stood on that battlefield. Call me sentimental but I'm old as hell and don't care what you think.
Stay off my lawn and stay at least six feet away from me.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 12:59 pm to FreeState
My great, great grand father was at Shiloh and Vicksburg. Saw the whole 4 years. Died 2 years after his return home from wound complications. Can only imagine his saga. Have his wedding picture. Have been to his burial place.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:07 pm to Prominentwon
quote:Bro, in 1862 they barely understood how to fight at the battalion and brigade level much less at division and above. Factor into account the terrain and you have little more than a brawl. They were rank amateurs. West Point did not teach fighting at this level of warfare.
Everyone is an expert.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:10 pm to Wolfhound45
Start with First Bull Run and total chaos across the battlefield.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:44 pm to OrangeEmpire
Anyone who hasn’t walked that battlefield doesn’t understand the issues with unit cohesion in an era before mobile communications and GPS.
Wandering roads, thick scrub undergrowth and heavy forests made coordination next to impossible especially after Johnston died on the southern side.
Same issues would’ve been felt in 1864-1865 and were at places like Chickamauga and the Wilderness.
Wandering roads, thick scrub undergrowth and heavy forests made coordination next to impossible especially after Johnston died on the southern side.
Same issues would’ve been felt in 1864-1865 and were at places like Chickamauga and the Wilderness.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:49 pm to tide06
Throw in the Seven Days to that equation.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 1:52 pm to FreeState
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Been there once. One of the most beautiful places in America. Truly is a place of peace...now.
Standing near the visitor center near the river really is peaceful.
I’d say the most beautiful battlefield I’ve been to is Chattanooga from the top of Lookout Mountain.
Most impactful for me was Gettysburg either from the top of Little Round Top & Cemetery Ridge looking out at the field Pickett crossed or the crater at Petersburg because I have an ancestor who was wounded and captured there only a couple hours from my house.
This post was edited on 4/6/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 4/6/20 at 3:42 pm to tide06
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Anyone who hasn’t walked that battlefield doesn’t understand the issues with unit cohesion in an era before mobile communications and GPS.
I've never been to Shiloh but I recently walked the Wilderness battlefield in Virginia. I would imagine Shiloh is very similar to that.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 6:25 pm to RollTide1987
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I've never been to Shiloh but I recently walked the Wilderness battlefield in Virginia. I would imagine Shiloh is very similar to that.
Doesnt get any worse than the Wilderness, couldnt tell what i was even looking at on the car tour.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 6:30 pm to tide06
And from what I've read, the Wilderness was even more tangled and dense in 1864 than it is today. It was also really cool to see the remains of the Union and Confederate trenches there. After the horrors of 1862 and 1863, the Wilderness is where men on both sides began to value the spade just as much as the rifle.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 6:31 pm to RollTide1987
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24,000 men killed, wounded, or missing/captured
That is crazy numbers to think about.
24,000!!! 1/4 of Tiger stadium in 2 days.
Posted on 4/6/20 at 6:45 pm to RollTide1987
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was a terrible battle plan from an overrated Confederate commander.
Johnston's plan was fine. He was just killed.
Beaureguard was horrible after he took over though.
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