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re: Three states now have pending legislation to lower drinking age to 18
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:42 am to 1MileTiger
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:42 am to 1MileTiger
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Most 21 year olds aren't mature enough to drink. Why would anyone think letting stupid high school kids openly drink would be a good idea?
So they are old enough to fight and die for your freedoms, but too immature to drink?
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Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:45 am to CCTider
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So they are old enough to fight and die for your freedoms, but too immature to drink?
This is a good point but somewhat of a gray area. On the one hand you've got a point about being old enough to serve in the military thus being old enough to drink. But on the other hand I see so many 18 yr olds nowadays who are very immature and not ready for the responsibility that comes with the right to drink.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:45 am to CCTider
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So they are old enough to fight and die for your freedoms, but too immature to drink?
Yes.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:47 am to DownSouthCrawfish
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Yes
Looks like someone is madd.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:48 am to CCTider
We need to raise the age of enlistment to 21, as well as the voting age. Obviously, legal adults are too immature to handle any sort of responsibility.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:49 am to CCTider
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So they are old enough to fight and die for your freedoms, but too immature to drink?
No. Military age should be older than 18.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:49 am to Dire Wolf
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But the longer-term gains would be cultural. We could begin to foster a more European-style culture of drinking that promotes responsibility and civilized sobriety. People are more likely to act like adults if you treat them as adults. Prohibition has promoted a horrible childishness with terrible results for everyone
This statement is funny. We already had the 18 year old drinking age and it we didn't have some "European" mentality towards drinking. Hell, it's only been for the last 20 years or so that the 21 age has been enforced in Louisiana.
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No reason to drive drunk in cities with uber/functioning cab system.
Although I agree drinking and driving is wrong, and you should be smart enough to use Uber/cab services, you have to realize that it's just not going to happen. As a college kid, I'd go out with 12 dollars in my pocket on some nights. $5 cover, free drinks from 8-10, and a few beers and tips afterwards. Not a lot of cash leftover for a cab ride. Now, I walked home. But if I lived farther away, I couldn't always afford to go to the bar if cab fare was involved. I know it sounds cheap, but at 21, I lived off of what my parents gave me, and they sure as shite weren't giving me more money to make getting drunk 3 nights a week more convenient. So I can see how kids aren't just going to make use of available transportation.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:50 am to NYNolaguy1
now that Ive been over 21 for a while I dont care abut this anymore.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:51 am to jb4
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Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:52 am to Darth_Vader
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I see so many 18 yr olds nowadays who are very immature and not ready for the responsibility that comes with the right to drink.
The same could be said for current 21 year olds. Maybe it's time to raise the drinking age to 25? After all it will save lives. Reducing alcohol consumption in general has many long lasting health benefits to the population as a whole.
Then after another 20 years, the current state of immature 21 year olds will turn into immature 25 year olds, and we can have this discussion again. We can't postpone adulthood forever.
OTOH I don't see our fedgov upping the 18 standard of selective service, though it may happen now with the inclusion of females in combat roles.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 10:54 am to NIH
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Europeans drink in moderation throughout the week ie wine or beer with lunch, couple of drinks after work. Americans wait until the weekend and get absolutely destroyed in immature fashion. Go look at any outdoor cafe in Europe at lunch and you're way more likely to see beer or wine on the table than soda.
I almost brought this up in my first post but was too busy covering the "maturity" thing.
This is a good point, and it's something that's commonly brought up by my Western European buddies (France, Germany, Spain, England particularly). They're amazed that you have to be 21 to drink legally in the U.S. Most were brought up in a culture where it was okay for them to have a drink with family at dinner from their early teens. They learn their limits pretty early on (particularly with beer and wine), and by their college days are already in the mode of a few pints in the pub versus getting blackout drunk on frat house punch.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:01 am to TheCaterpillar
I've been all over Europe and the young people drink themselves silly there as well.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:01 am to Stagg8
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Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:03 am to NYNolaguy1
I'm not against lowering the drinking age, I was merely pointing out that back when it was 18 there was still ridiculous behavior revolving around alcohol.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:06 am to NYNolaguy1
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What good would lowering the drinking age do? It would put an end to the perverse culture of secretiveness and abuse that has grown up around underage drinking
That was going on when it was 18 in the past as well.
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But the longer-term gains would be cultural. We could begin to foster a more European-style culture of drinking that promotes responsibility and civilized sobriety
Please, this is silly.
I lived through the drinking age of 18 and this is true. It didn't happen then and it won't happen this time around even if the want to be alcoholics dreamers came otherwise.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:07 am to Jake88
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I've been all over Europe and the young people drink themselves silly there as well.
Exactly. The notion of "European moderation" when it comes to drinking is largely a myth.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:07 am to CCTider
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So they are old enough to fight and die for your freedoms, but too immature to drink?
A metric frick ton of them are yes.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:09 am to Jake88
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I'm not against lowering the drinking age, I was merely pointing out that back when it was 18 there was still ridiculous behavior revolving around alcohol.
And I suspect there always will be ridiculous behavior when people start drinking. I think the push needs to be toward healthy drinking and not punitive prohibition (as pushed by MADD et al). That can be accomplished by introducing alcohol gradually, and it starts with the family dinner table.
Our society struggles with that general idea across the board though. It's usually all or nothing.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:09 am to SG_Geaux
We tried that. Did not work.
Posted on 1/20/16 at 11:15 am to Darth_Vader
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Exactly. The notion of "European moderation" when it comes to drinking is largely a myth.
That graph shows only 15-19 year olds. What about 21+?
Also, consider the detrimental effects of essentially putting off binge drinking until after 21. How many 15-19 year olds have families at home or serious jobs? Now what about those that are 21+? The longer we put off adulthood, the greater effect there is on holding a serious job, finding and growing a family, and being an overall responsible adult.
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