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re: Three LSU Phi Mu's die in helicopter crash with billionaire Chris Cline

Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:19 am to
Posted by Traveler
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:19 am to
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engine/transmission failure.

While nothing can be ruled out at this point, the 139 has Cat A performance and can easily fly one engine inoperative. And, it is worth mentioning without suggesting the cause, the aircraft has a history of tail rotor blade failure with bad results.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:37 am to
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the aircraft has a history of tail rotor blade failure with bad results


That’s one of the speculated causes. Some have hypothesized that there was a tail rotor strike on landing.

If you lost a blade (and then inevitably the whole rotor), you could still weathervane with enough speed. But sounds like this one was low and slow after takeoff.
Posted by Traveler
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:41 am to
In the cases I have seen, the whole gearbox will come with it. That's a lot of weight shed quickly.


This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 10:46 am
Posted by liz18lsu
Naples, FL
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:45 am to
Curious what the emergency was...
Posted by Traveler
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:48 am to
It is being reported one of the group was very ill and needed to be airlifted back to Florida.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:50 am to
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whole gearbox will come with it.


If two bladed, centrifugal would throw off the opposite blade almost instantly after failure, and gearbox would seize quickly.

But you could still maintain control with airspeed, I think.
Posted by liz18lsu
Naples, FL
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:54 am to
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It is being reported one of the group was very ill and needed to be airlifted back to Florida.


The daughter, right? What does a 21-22 year old girl have a physical emergency for? Appendicitis?
Posted by Traveler
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 10:59 am to
I'm not sure who or what the medical issue was.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:18 am to
In the GOM I always preferred flying with Helo pilots that got up in the air and got some distance between us and the Earth

Some of those military guys would take off and fly us away on what felt like strafing runs and it always scared the shite out me
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:49 am to
From that pilot forum

quote:

I have a hunch (rumour network) that there is more to this incident than meets the eye - I suspect that the ‘medevac’ element might have affected the go/no-go decision-making matrix......
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 11:58 am to
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I have a hunch (rumour network) that there is more to this incident than meets the eye - I suspect that the ‘medevac’ element might have affected the go/no-go decision-making matrix......


I initially thought that too. But they flew over from Ft Lauderdale that night. The conditions on the return flight would be identical. They’d already made the “go” decision and made it over.

So what was different on return? Weather is the usual suspect. But from what I saw it was all but severe clear that night. Fatigue? You’d already been up for a few hours by the time you got there. The fuzzies should have been gone by then.

The only thing I can think of is damage on a hard landing at Grand Cay. And they may have flown after that because of pressure. That would explain a catastrophic tail rotor failure (if that’s what it was) and a very hard impact shortly after takeoff.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 12:01 pm
Posted by White Roach
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:11 pm to
How far is it from Grand Cay to Fort Lauderdale? I seem to remember a friend making a run in a boat from Miami to somewhere in the Bahamas and it only taking 3 or 4 hours.
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:14 pm to
Well, there’s the obvious change in load from 2 to 7 passengers too.

My dad worked offshore and flew for 20 years with a keen interest. Befriended the pilots, many of them I’ve met.

Plenty of stories that centered around the weight load difference when returning from offshore.

But for me, the biggest question is why would they ALL load up given the circumstances.
Posted by beerJeep
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:15 pm to
quote:

remember a friend making a run in a boat from Miami to somewhere in the Bahamas and it only taking 3 or 4 hours.

quote:

White Roach


Hmmmmmmm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:19 pm to
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The daughter, right? What does a 21-22 year old girl have a physical emergency for? Appendicitis?


Epilepsy? Diabetic? Drank too much? Could be literally anything from the most serious to the most trivial. If you're Joe Millionaire and your kid gets sick you probably wait it out for a while, or if its a real crisis, you call the Coast Guard or a private medevac outfit, people trained for these situations, and there's a happy ending. If you're Joe Billionaire you call up your personal helo pilot, who may not be up to date on flying in these conditions. He rolls out of bed and gets there asap, damn the torpedoes, because it's the Bossman.

I'm not criticizing, I'd do the same thingif I had his money. But everybody is prone to lapses of judgment. And as someone else said, if you're a billionaire, there's no one to tell you no.

Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:24 pm to
This whole thing is gettin a bit Shady if a civilian pilot flew over to get them in middle of night when the Coast Guard is plenty capable of medevacs.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 12:40 pm
Posted by wahoocs
Lafayette, LA
Member since Nov 2004
23480 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:34 pm to
It’s going to end up being just really bad judgement by several people. Mostly Cline and his pilots though.

There’s no scenario that makes sense. They were not adrift on a stranded vessel in bad weather.

If the daughter was THAT sick, wouldn’t medical personnel have flown with the pilots to the island? And as I keep asking, under what plausible circumstance would ALL 7 board to depart, when they were at a mansion for that day, the 4th of July?
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:55 pm to
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How far is it from Grand Cay to Fort Lauderdale?


I’d say about an hour in an AW 139.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
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Posted on 7/7/19 at 12:57 pm to
quote:

This whole thing is gettin a bit Shady if a civilian pilot flew over to get them in middle of night when the Coast Guard is plenty capable of medevacs.


So you are suggesting that maybe there was something there causing the medical emergency that you wouldn’t want the Coast Guard to see?

That’s a bit dark for me at this point. I’m going with a take charge dad who isn’t inclined to see the government as a solution to private problems.
This post was edited on 7/7/19 at 12:59 pm
Posted by MojoGuyPan
Intercession City, Florida
Member since Jun 2018
2797 posts
Posted on 7/7/19 at 1:12 pm to
I'm hearing from a friend in the USCG that the emergency was that Kameron OD'd. Cline wanted fly on his own to keep things quiet rather than go with a Medevac.

He works out of Tampa but that is the rumor he is hearing.
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