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re: Thousands Of Amazon Employees Revolt As CEO Makes Them Show Up In Office 3 Days Per Week
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:04 am to lostinbr
Posted on 2/23/23 at 10:04 am to lostinbr
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The point is that many folks will always do what’s best for them personally over what’s best for their job, if given the option.
This and can you really blame them. Conversely could you really blame the business for doing what is in their best interest
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 10:07 am
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Posted on 2/23/23 at 11:58 am to jennBN
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I start a remote nursing job on Monday. One of the driving factors for me to leave bedside is to be able to focus on work and the patient without all the chatter and noise of distracting coworkers. I think I will be more efficient working on my own than with "help". I hope I enjoy it.
It takes the right kind of person to be successful at WFH. I always told my team "we have the freedom because we don't abuse the freedom". You're going to love it. It cuts down on all the nonsense and let's you focus on what is important.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:02 pm to rintintin
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Or maybe, the company who employs you decides where they want you to work, like Amazon is doing.
Just because someone "likes" to work from home doesn't mean it's the best for the company.
That's totally fair from the employers perspective. I will tell you that a lot of employers see WFM as a way to reduce costs. Think about all of the costs associated with providing a place to work - building, air conditioning, bathroom services, security, etc..
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:04 pm to goofball
Early on in COVID I had to work from home for about a month. Didn’t like it. I’d spend all day in one part of the house, my office, then at night I’d come down for dinner. I like getting out and about in the world.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:05 pm to Volvagia
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You try and pull this off, and in most places
Which is why small businesses are by far better places to work.
I can't fire inept employees unless they're stealing due to HR, recruiting and retention. Three different departments full of nosy Karen's can override me.
Some incredibly shitty people here and you can't touch them.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:10 pm to Darth_Vader
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Early on in COVID I had to work from home for about a month. Didn’t like it. I’d spend all day in one part of the house, my office, then at night I’d come down for dinner. I like getting out and about in the world.
I felt this. It is pretty isolating. Over time it became more and more comfortable. Then, when I changed jobs and went back in to the office(hybrid), there were tons and tons of people talking to me all the time for random reasons. Not work related...just small talk.
To each their own.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:17 pm to goofball
I know one of the people that are being made to go back into the office.
He's pissed. Not because of going back into the office, but because they were told by upper management that the position was going to WFH permanently during COVID and he moved a solid hour and a half away from the office in the meantime.
Basically, Amazon management told them one thing and is now doing another (not shocking). I can understand that frustration.
He's pissed. Not because of going back into the office, but because they were told by upper management that the position was going to WFH permanently during COVID and he moved a solid hour and a half away from the office in the meantime.
Basically, Amazon management told them one thing and is now doing another (not shocking). I can understand that frustration.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 12:29 pm to nola tiger lsu
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It is amazing that people on this board would argue against this point. The only argument against it is born out of jealousy.
That's 100% what most of this is.
That and fear because they are the type of middle manager that will get exposed as being functionally worthless if they don't have people around to micromanage and peacock about to upper management in an office setting.
Though in reality a lot of this is probably Amazon simply trying to weasel out of unemployment and severance packages to get people to quit before doing layoffs anyways. Which is a really shitty fricking thing to do if you are someone that was hired as a remote worker, then have to relocate, only to be laid off a couple weeks later in the numbers crunch to boost stock prices.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 1:18 pm to Jon Ham
If 95% of your work can be done remotely there's no reason for your company not to outsource to Manilla for less cost.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 1:47 pm to BluegrassBelle
quote:your friend is free to react to changing circumstances in any way he wishes, up to and including
He's pissed. Not because of going back into the office, but because they were told by upper management that the position was going to WFH permanently during COVID and he moved a solid hour and a half away from the office in the meantime.
1) relocating again
2) commuting
3) finding other employment
companies will do what is best for the company. if you work for a company with tens of thousands of employees you cannot expect special treatment
Posted on 2/23/23 at 1:55 pm to BluegrassBelle
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can understand that frustration.
If you can WFH 100% of the time,your job is going over to India or China..
One day these people will figure this shite out and grow up a bit.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 1:56 pm to kennypowers
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If it works for some people, why do you care?
You're missing the entire point.
A lot of people are bending over backward trying to justify it. As a leader and employer, it doesn't work because I see it being abused and I see side effects. When people work apart they don't collaborate enough (again dont come at me with Slack or Google docs, thats bulls***) and don't empathize enough. They're not good teams.
Lets all be real honest with each other. If CEO's thought their teams were doing awesome at home, they would sell their millions of dollars of real estate and take a huge bonus for saving money.
That's not happening.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 1:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
The plan here is to get these employees to quit. Return to work will be used by companies to reduce the work force.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:14 pm to STEVED00
quote:100% of what I do is on the computer. There is no way to walk by and see if I am actually working or if I am just looking like I am working. The proof is in the deadlines.
My thought is that it’s a lot easier to check on how productive people are when you can walk around the office and check on them. I’m sure many jobs are very conducive to remote work but it always seems like the employees love it way more than the employers do.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:24 pm to kennypowers
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That's totally fair from the employers perspective. I will tell you that a lot of employers see WFM as a way to reduce costs. Think about all of the costs associated with providing a place to work - building, air conditioning, bathroom services, security, etc
I agree, and I think its a good way for companies to reduce unneeded costs. As I said, I think there's a balance involved and it's ultimately up to the company to decide.
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:33 pm to goofball
I agree with the CEO. Companies I work with that are all remote are a pain to deal with and less efficient.
I’m sure the workers like it but things are quicker/smoother when teams are together in a physical location
I’m sure the workers like it but things are quicker/smoother when teams are together in a physical location
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:33 pm to madamsquirrel
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100% of what I do is on the computer. There is no way to walk by and see if I am actually working or if I am just looking like I am working. The proof is in the deadlines.
100% this. Especially given that I am the only person in my office in my program...which means I'm in Google meetings all day, every day
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:37 pm to tigercraig
quote:I agree with this actually. But for the love of all that is holy if companies want people in the office spring for continuous cleaning people. I hate dirty kitchens and bathrooms and dusty offices. And coworkers do not clean after themselves.
things are quicker/smoother when teams are together in a physical location
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:40 pm to goofball
This is sad and pathetic
Posted on 2/23/23 at 2:47 pm to lsuson
The place I work at is old school and wouldn’t dream of doing WFH, but in reality, 75% of my work could be done from home. I’d just love the ability to do it. Say I don’t feel good one day, or my kid is sick. It’d be nice to have the option.
I don’t think I’d like it everyday though, or even the majority of the week. I definitely think I’d be more productive with my hours, but I wouldn’t be available on a regular schedule like I am when I come to the office. Like I’d probably start early, say 6:00 AM, work a few hours, go workout, work a few more, go for a 2 hour lunch/break, work a few more, hang out with my kids when they get home and then finish it up at night.
So yeah, definitely some perks, but I understand why you’d want your employees to come in at least a couple of times a week, if not the majority of the time.
I don’t think I’d like it everyday though, or even the majority of the week. I definitely think I’d be more productive with my hours, but I wouldn’t be available on a regular schedule like I am when I come to the office. Like I’d probably start early, say 6:00 AM, work a few hours, go workout, work a few more, go for a 2 hour lunch/break, work a few more, hang out with my kids when they get home and then finish it up at night.
So yeah, definitely some perks, but I understand why you’d want your employees to come in at least a couple of times a week, if not the majority of the time.
This post was edited on 2/23/23 at 2:49 pm
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