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re: Thoughts on Derek Chauvin’s sentence?

Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:42 am to
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:42 am to
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Do you acknowledge that he was clearly not showing signs of someone overdosing on opiates


That’s a strawman argument

He’s not just someone who took opiates

He’s someone who was in an excited state of delirium, fighting the cops, just ate a handful of fentanyl AND meth pills, who also had an enlarged heart and 90% blockage of one of his coronary arteries, oh and covid.

Trying to act like there is an expected outcome to that scenario is the only preposterous statement.

You’ve never seen anyone in that state before, but you are utterly convinced you know how it should end
Posted by thetempleowl
dallas, tx
Member since Jul 2008
15906 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:44 am to
quote:

look on his face when Floyd is put in the ambulance and he realizes that he’s dead. It’s the biggest “oh shite” expression I’ve ever seen. And it conveys that his actions absolutely led to his death but absolutely not intentionally.


Jesus, everything about this is wrong. It's amazing you can get it so wrong.

His oh shite expression was because someone died.

His actions didn't lead to his death unless you mean he showed up and tried to arrest him.

Question. Would be have died had he not overdosed on drugs?

Second question. Since he did overdose on drugs, was he likely to die unless treated with narcan quickly?

Third question. Did the cops know he overdosed at the time?

Fourth question. Could the entire situation be explained by a drug overdose?

The answer to question one is he would have died even if he hadn't overdosed, eventually. Because we all will die. But he most likely would not have died then.

Answer to number two is the amount of drugs in his system was enough to kill him unless he got narcan in a quick manner.

Answer to number 3 is I don't believe they knew he overdosed until later

The most important answer is 4. Yes, everything could be explained by a simple drug overdose. That right there is reasonable doubt. And that is all that is important.

Chauvin got sacrificed to the democratic gods. He should have never been found guilty.

Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:44 am to
Toxicology says he didn't die of OD.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:45 am to
The medical meaner concluded he died from asphyxia
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50763 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:45 am to
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So he just happened to OD at the exact time that a knee was on his neck? And the medical examiner concluded that he died from asphyxia.


You are aware that asphyxiation just means he was deprived of oxygen, correct? It in no way means he was strangled.
Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
23873 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:46 am to
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Do you know what someone overdosing on opiates looks like? They just nod off and pass out, they aren’t in any way frantic like Floyd was.


False.

Floyd was not overdosing in the video. He was panicking.

Have you ever dealt with a combative patient?
How about one that large?

I have, numerous times. You’re wrong in every way.
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:46 am to
He was passively resisting, he wasn’t “fighting the cops”
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:47 am to
What does someone overdosing on opiates look like?
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50763 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:50 am to
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sabes que


Are you going to admit that you don’t know that asphyxiation is not that same thing as strangulation?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71389 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:51 am to
I've maintained for a long time now that if there were any justice George George Floyd would be safe, sound, and alive right now in prison.

Five years he got for armed robbery/home invasion. Five.

That's the privilege of living and being a criminal in a crime-ridden shithole of a city with an overworked and short staffed DA's office. Five years for roughing up and putting a gun to the head of a pregnant woman in her own damn home!

In comparison, my friend who committed a very similar crime (with no significant priors, mind you) got 75 years. 75. He had made the poor decision to commit his crime in an area with a relatively low crime rate with a DA who actually did their damn job!

Go ahead, talk to me about justice in the Floyd case. Go ahead. Because that woman that Floyd kicked the door in on sure as hell didn't see any justice.
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
56842 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:51 am to
quote:

He was passively resisting, he wasn’t “fighting the cops”



Posted by LSUcajun77
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2008
23873 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:52 am to
Do you know the definition of overdosing?

You’re overdosed you’re not breathing properly on your own. An ambu bag, with O2 is used to assist your breathing.
You are completely unconscious and unresponsive.

Floyd was not overdosing.

He was panicking, resisting and completely combative.
Protocol in the medical field is to restraint the patient.

However, you don’t kneel on their neck.

The facts are, he was high, panicking and combative and needed to be subdued. Not in that manner, but at the end of the day I feel zero sympathy for Floyd. He made that bed.
Posted by jbgleason
Bailed out of BTR to God's Country
Member since Mar 2012
19802 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:53 am to
The better question for this thread is "do you think he will ever get a retrial or a sentence reduction once the publicity dies down?"

Even better thread: "If you were Chauvin, would you have made a run for it knowing the politics were likely to get you a life sentence?"
Posted by TeamLSU
Member since Feb 2009
3626 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:53 am to
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Put myself in the shoes of restraining a documented violent criminal and while i hope i would have done it differently, I can't honestly say I would or could have.




So a maniac as you call him, that is handcuffed behind his back, on his stomach and is a THREAT??? And plus you had THREE other officers there with you. fricking pussy
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:54 am to
Medical examiner said positional asphyxia as the cause of death
Posted by Turf Taint
New Orleans
Member since Jun 2021
6010 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:56 am to
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What let to Floyd George dying was his eating a bunch of fentanyl.


Death caused by:

Takes Fentanyl almost daily. This day, it killed him (YES)

Takes Fentaynl almost daily. Fentanyl + knee on neck for 8 min (NO). Knee was just coincidental.

Kinda like...
Lincoln watched a lot of plays. Bored him to death. That night, Booth's bullet to Lincoln's head was just coincidental.

Posted by Byron Bojangles III
Member since Nov 2012
52008 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:57 am to
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I think you meant to say Fentanyl.


so you think he dies if he isn't suffocated?
Posted by sabes que
Member since Jan 2010
10156 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:59 am to
I’m not sure what your definition is, but in mine fighting means striking or intending to injure another. Floyd did neither.
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
50763 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:59 am to
quote:

Medical examiner said positional asphyxia as the cause of death


Protecting Infants and Toddlers from Positional Asphyxia: Car Seats and Sling Carriers

quote:

Babies who experience positional asphyxia cannot breathe because the position of their body blocks their airway.


So, again, not strangulation.

Now will you admit that you don’t know the difference between asphyxiation and strangulation?
This post was edited on 2/18/22 at 9:02 am
Posted by Areddishfish
The Wild West
Member since Oct 2015
6435 posts
Posted on 2/18/22 at 8:59 am to
2020 called it wants its case back
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