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re: This is why Black Americans dont trust the police
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:38 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if he's talking about ACTUAL pork
I honestly have no idea where he was going with that. It's like he was responding to another thread
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:38 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I agree, I don't like Hillary either
I AGREE 1000% times a million.
My disgust with my people in regards to voting history is at an all time high.
I detest Hillary and Trump. To be honest I like Trump more than Hillary because at least he is honest and a fresh breath to politics.
I AGREE 1000% times a million.
My disgust with my people in regards to voting history is at an all time high.
I detest Hillary and Trump. To be honest I like Trump more than Hillary because at least he is honest and a fresh breath to politics.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:39 pm to TbirdSpur2010
yeah i didn't know if that was black people talk about white women (never heard it like that) or actual pork 
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:40 pm to Shugg84
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To be honest I like Trump more than Hillary because at least he is honest and a fresh breath to politics.
i agree here but i'm not voting for either
Hillary is evil, terrible, and just downright bad
Trump has made shite fun and crazy, for better or worse
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:40 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Im talking about laws that were enacted in the past to benefit whites as well, that is a form of government assistance.
The corporations that were led by White CEOs that were bailed out with money that well exceeds anything black use, thats gov assistance as well.
The corporations that were led by White CEOs that were bailed out with money that well exceeds anything black use, thats gov assistance as well.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:42 pm to SlowFlowPro
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war on drugs
Oh. OK.
I agree
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:42 pm to Shugg84
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But gov assistance is used by white people more, and historically has benefitted white people more in this countrys history PERIOD.
FDR
I think you and your boy are just trolling now. Y'all both lack the basic comprehension necessary to understand statistics.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:42 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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but it's hit our demographic particularly hard.
In some instances that is not gonna matter. Take voting for your councilman for example. It's entirely possible to objectively see both candidates as one in the same.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:43 pm to TbirdSpur2010
He admitted it in a round about way.
He said he was defending you (he was lying) from the stereotype his white coworker has about black men and fat white women.
He said he was defending you (he was lying) from the stereotype his white coworker has about black men and fat white women.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
Agreed.
Thing about republicans and black people is that when it comes to views we actually AGREE with a lot of shite.
Love dogs
Religious
Believe in education and hard work.
Close with family
Not the most pro gay rights groups
Love football
Conservative in a lot of ways.
If republicans pandered to black and hispanics and cut the bigoted crap that you see expelled from fox news on a nightly basis I guarantee Blacks would eventually move to being republicans. The older blacks won't change though, their generation is less educated and more stuck in their ways and views than the younger generation.
Thing about republicans and black people is that when it comes to views we actually AGREE with a lot of shite.
Love dogs
Religious
Believe in education and hard work.
Close with family
Not the most pro gay rights groups
Love football
Conservative in a lot of ways.
If republicans pandered to black and hispanics and cut the bigoted crap that you see expelled from fox news on a nightly basis I guarantee Blacks would eventually move to being republicans. The older blacks won't change though, their generation is less educated and more stuck in their ways and views than the younger generation.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:45 pm to MightyYat
I understand that stats, I'm factoring in corporations, and laws of the past that helped this country move forward after that great depression in the early 1900's.
To ignore that level of government assistance is just skewing the stats to have an agenda.
To ignore that level of government assistance is just skewing the stats to have an agenda.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:47 pm to Shugg84
Young blacks can join the Republican Party and show the bigots how not to be bigots.
Lead by example if that makes sense. Change the narrative from the inside.
I'd vote for T-bird now over what we have and all I know about him is he's black, is funny, has a white wife, likes NASCAR (I'll overlook that), has military service and has a good head on his shoulders seemingly.
Lead by example if that makes sense. Change the narrative from the inside.
I'd vote for T-bird now over what we have and all I know about him is he's black, is funny, has a white wife, likes NASCAR (I'll overlook that), has military service and has a good head on his shoulders seemingly.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:50 pm to roadGator
You can't show bigots how not to be bigots. People are taught that shite from their elders, or learn it from the media.
There are millions of young black in college or working normal jobs and in this very thread you have people saying black culture is nothing but degeneracy. You can't educate ignorant fricks. They will look for the 5% that are in the wrong and use it as their proof as to why they are right.
There are millions of young black in college or working normal jobs and in this very thread you have people saying black culture is nothing but degeneracy. You can't educate ignorant fricks. They will look for the 5% that are in the wrong and use it as their proof as to why they are right.
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 3:51 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:52 pm to Aristo
It's a systemic problem you idiot. From hiring discrimination toward intelligent applicants, lack of adequate prosecution for police misconduct and multiple cases of higher ups demanding quotas to bet, to cops who speak up being blacklisted. Fixing the system within is like putting a bandaid on someone with cancer.
But but there's good cops!!
American Conservative
This is what happens when a cop tries to do good and fix the system.
LINK
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This is an attractive proposal, certainly, but unfortunately it doesn’t hold up to scrutiny. Here are seven reasons why police misconduct is a systemic problem, not “a few bad apples”:
1. Many departments don’t provide adequate training in nonviolent solutions.
This is particularly obvious when it comes to dealing with family pets. “Police kill family dog” is practically its own subgenre of police brutality reports, and most of these cases—like the story of the Minnesota children who were made to sit, handcuffed, next to their dead and bleeding pet—are all too preventable. Some police departments have begun to train their officers to deal more appropriately with pets, but Thomas Aveni of the Police Policy Studies Council, a police consulting firm,says it’s still extremely rare. In the absence of this training, police are less likely to view violence as a last resort.
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2. Standards for what constitutes brutality vary widely.
“Excess is in the eyes of the beholder,” explains William Terrill, a former police officer and professor of criminal justice at Michigan State. “To one officer ‘objectively reasonable’ means that if you don’t give me your license, I get to use soft hands, and in another town the same resistance means I can pull you through the car window, [or] I can tase you.” The special deference police are widely given in American culture feeds this inconsistency of standards, producing something of a legal Wild West.
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3. Consequences for misconduct are minimal.
In central New Jersey, for instance, 99 percent of police brutality complaints are never investigated. Nor can that be explained away as stereotypical New Jersey corruption. Only one out of every three accused cops are convicted nationwide, while the conviction rate for civilians is literally double that. In Chicago, the numbers are even more skewed: There were 10,000 abuse complaints filed against the Chicago PD between 2002 and 2004, and just 19 of them ”resulted in meaningful disciplinary action.” On a national level, upwards of 95 percent of police misconduct cases referred for federal prosecution are declined by prosecutors because, as reported inUSA Today, juries “are conditioned to believe cops, and victims’ credibility is often challenged.” Failure to remedy this police/civilian double standard cultivates an abuse-friendly legal environment.
4. Settlements are shifted to taxpayers.
Those officers who are found guilty of brutality typically find the settlement to their victims paid from city coffers. Research from Human Rights Watch reveals that in some places, taxpayers “are paying three times for officers who repeatedly commit abuses: once to cover their salaries while they commit abuses; next to pay settlements or civil jury awards against officers; and a third time through payments into police ‘defense’ funds provided by the cities.” In larger cities, these settlements easily cost the public tens of millions of dollars annually while removing a substantial incentive against police misconduct.
5. Minorities are unfairly targeted.
“Simply put,” says University of Florida law professor Katheryn K. Russell, “the public face of a police brutality victim is a young man who is Black or Latino.” In this case, research suggests perception matches reality. To give a particularly striking example, one Florida city’s “stop and frisk” policy has been explicitly aimed at all black men. Since 2008, this has led to 99,980 stops which did not produce an arrest in a city with a population of just 110,000. One man alone was stopped 258 times at his job in four years, and arrested for trespassing while working on 62 occasions. Failure to address this issue communicates to police that minorities are a safe target for abuse.
6. Police are increasingly militarized.
During President Obama’s gun control push, he argued that “weapons of war have no place on our streets;” but as Radley Balko has amply documented in his 2013 book, Rise of the Warrior Cop, local police are often equipped with weapons powerful enough to conquer a small country. Police use of highly armed SWAT teams hasrisen by 1,500 percent in the last two decades, and many police departments have cultivated an “us vs. them” mentality toward the public they ostensibly serve. Although possession of these weapons does not cause misconduct, as the old saying goes, when you have a hammer everything begins to look like a nail.
7. Police themselves say misconduct is remarkably widespread.
Here’s the real clincher. A Department of Justice study revealed that a whopping 84 percent of police officers report that they’ve seen colleagues use excessive force on civilians, and 61 percent admit they don’t always report “even serious criminal violations that involve abuse of authority by fellow officers.”
But but there's good cops!!
American Conservative
This is what happens when a cop tries to do good and fix the system.
quote:
A Baltimore City cop who attempted to hold his fellow officers accountable for on the job misconduct has been intimidated to the point of leaving the police force entirely.
Detective Joe Crystal became a target of intimidation for his entire department after testifying against other officers in a misconduct case. Following his testimony, he received threats from other officers, and even found a dead rat on his car one day.
“He saw a wrong and decided he couldn’t live with himself and did the right thing and was punished, I think that’s just unbelievable,” Nicholas Panteleakis, Crystal’s lawyer said.
“They don’t care about anything but saving their money and saving their hide. It’s absolutely ridiculous with what this man has gone through. One, it lets the Baltimore City police know they were wrong, know that they’ve done numerous things against him that were wrong,” Panteleakis added.
Crystal has currently filed a lawsuit against the department for the intimidation that he has encountered, but the department has responded by opening up an investigation into Crystal’s activities while on duty. In the course of their investigation, they accused Crystal of misusing his take home vehicle, stemming from a time where he took his wife home in the car. The department then offered to drop their investigation if Crystal would drop his lawsuit against them, but he has refused.
The case is still ongoing, but this week Crystal turned in his badge to the department and will no longer be a member of the police force.
LINK
This post was edited on 9/30/16 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:56 pm to HempHead
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His assertion is falsifiable with known statistics.
Your assertion is not falsifiable, because it is inherently not kept up with.
Dammit, use refutable, like everyone else. Don't be a rebel. Conform!
Posted on 9/30/16 at 3:57 pm to Shugg84
I don't believe that and if I did then there would be no hope for the future of race relations.
I grew up with a bigoted father. At the end of his life his best friend was a black guy. He fished with his black neighbor.
I would have never dreamed such a bigoted man would have changed so much.
The only thing that changed is that he let these black men into his life instead of keeping them at arms distance all the time.
The N word became offensive to him in a way. He didn't want you to use it to mean black people. He changed the meaning to any person that was a POS regardless of color.
It's entirely possible to change. That's what gives us hope.
Now, if we can just keep the terrorists out of our country long enough to figure this part out first.
I grew up with a bigoted father. At the end of his life his best friend was a black guy. He fished with his black neighbor.
I would have never dreamed such a bigoted man would have changed so much.
The only thing that changed is that he let these black men into his life instead of keeping them at arms distance all the time.
The N word became offensive to him in a way. He didn't want you to use it to mean black people. He changed the meaning to any person that was a POS regardless of color.
It's entirely possible to change. That's what gives us hope.
Now, if we can just keep the terrorists out of our country long enough to figure this part out first.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:03 pm to TJGator1215
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It's a systemic problem you idiot.
So tough.
Well, if they hire people willing to make a report on a co-worker such as yourself, would that not get the ball rolling?
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:04 pm to roadGator
What if I told you that you can have a black friend and still be bigoted?
All that being said, that sounds pretty cool.
All that being said, that sounds pretty cool.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:11 pm to Shugg84
What would be the point of that? I guess one could but damn that would be silly.
Let me think about that.
Let me think about that.
Posted on 9/30/16 at 4:12 pm to Old Taylor
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You sound like a huge pussy, just don't be a criminal and you won't come in contact with police. Pretty simple, I'm sorry a certain race can't grasp that concept.
Most people really do feel this way. I assure you that once you are the one being harassed, you will change your tune. I do not trust a single police officer to be honest or do the common sense thing. Blacks see this side of the police more often than whites. But whites are also treated just as poorly when the police have suspicions about them. Just happens less often. No one is above the harassment. If I have learned anything it is not to talk with police, do not trust the police, do not cooperate with police. Nothing good can come from speaking with them.
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