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re: This guy gets it, re Travel ball
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:15 am to Chad504boy
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:15 am to Chad504boy
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seems like you are arguing with the anti travel ball's argument in OP bro. you don't even realize it. glad you are on team travel ball.
What are you talking about?
Playing with the same 12 kids for 6 years straight because the parents are all friends and don't want to be on a team with other parents is a travel ball issue.
Rec ball new teams every year forces kids to interact with kids that like different things. It is good for them.
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Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:17 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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Excuse my ignorance, but when I was younger there were 3 tiers of baseball leagues: National League (lowest), American League (middle) and Dizzy Dean (top). You would then play teams in the same tier from other playgrounds in your city.
Has travel ball taken away this format?
Based on what I see. The Participation Trophy mindset created the current environment. Growing up in Chalmette they had A, B, C, and possibly even D teams. Kids were cut at an early age and it was just tough tickles. Over the years they started mixing all the kids together to make it "fair". It became watered down and the more passionate kids started looking for better competition. It's like anything in life, the pendulum typically swings hard
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:17 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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Excuse my ignorance, but when I was younger there were 3 tiers of baseball leagues: National League (lowest), American League (middle) and Dizzy Dean (top). You would then play teams in the same tier from other playgrounds in your city.
Has travel ball taken away this format?
I've never heard of this format. When I was younger we had 20 teams in each age group (Jackson suburb). American league and national league. Both leagues had all stars that would play for about 4 weekends in the summer.
At 11 2 "select" teams broke off but the rec league had 2 teams that formed after the season and played in a handful of tournaments.
Only about 6 of the 2 select teams were still playing baseball through senior year of high school.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:20 am to 03 West CoChamps
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What are you talking about?
did you even listen to the OP's video? cause you're typing shite not dialed in to the actual arguments made that i'm arguing against.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:21 am to Chad504boy
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did you even listen to the OP's video? cause you're typing shite not dialed in to the actual arguments made that i'm arguing against.
I haven't had Facebook in 15 years.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:22 am to 03 West CoChamps
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I haven't had Facebook in 15 years.
well then. you are making arguments that is going against the guy that is ANTI TRAVEL BALL.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:22 am to The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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Excuse my ignorance, but when I was younger there were 3 tiers of baseball leagues: National League (lowest), American League (middle) and Dizzy Dean (top). You would then play teams in the same tier from other playgrounds in your city.
Has travel ball taken away this format?
that is not the format of 99.99% of rec leagues in the country and never was
and to answer your question yes and no
travel/tournament ball has 4 levels
-majors or Div 1- best teams, usually top 15, maybe top 20 in the state. requires a little more travel but still in Louisiana can play within 2 hour drive. This is your better ball players. You have state level majors teams and then national level teams that pull from kids all over the country and fly all over only Playing in PG Super NIT. State level major teams usually play within the state, maybe 1 in Houston for the most part.
aaa or div 2- middle ball players. This can be a huge range in quality of the team, but generally these are your kids that really enjoy the sport. Some may not be very gifted genetically and just work really hard, some may be opposite. Usually these kids are fundamentally sound and if not, just really really good athletically. Now you have some major levels players on these teams that they stay with because they want like the teammates etc
aa or div 3- this would be equivalent to your older school rec all star team from your smaller towns. These are usually your developmental kids that still need quite a bit of work fundamentally.
A- this is league ball. USSSA has actual leagues.
Your example of national league would be A ball, american AA ball and Dizzy dean more like AAA ball. In your case majors ball would be like taking an All star team of Dizzy dean players from 3 or 4 playgrounds and playing together.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:26 am to Jim Rockford
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I can't hear you over the thunderous crack of Breydeyn's batting practice.
Is Breydeyn in the cages? Because all i hear in the bullpen is Carlos, our pickup player from Santo Domingo, throwing gas to the sound of Narco.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:27 am to Jim Rockford
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This post was edited on 3/26/25 at 9:28 am
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:27 am to deNYEd
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I must admit that the travel ball scene here is somewhat exaggerated. I probably even bought into it at one point. Now that I've experienced it, it's easy to see that although the stereotypes exist, it's also incredibly simple to find a middle ground
I was same way and if they'd cut out the boomboxes and the moms bringing their whole house to the field for 2 hours in a day then lots of those stereotypes wouldn't exist
They also let too many teams win the the tournament - maybe 7u, 8u and 9u can have two brackets but after that one team should win and if one team is winning all their tournaments then they should be forced to move up a division
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:30 am to lsu777
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you understand that 90% of travel ball kids play other sports, at least until middle school. many play football all the way through HS.
My son, who has been asked to be on a couple of travel ball teams, could absolutely not do it and do all of flag football, soccer, basketball, golf, and swimming. He says he loves them all. Swimming and golf would be I think would be the big ones he would have to give up in the Summer, at least partially, to play in our "travel ball" type leagues.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:32 am to R11
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People who have nerd beta kids get angry
This guy wears the following every weekend:
Fitted Crushers hat
Long sleeve batting jacket
Cargo shorts
Phiten necklace
Oakley M Frames
New Balance Turf Shoes
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:37 am to lsu777
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ever had a kid that even at 6 & 7 he sets an alarm on alexa to get up before everyone else to go hit before school? if not then you dont know wtf you are talking about.
You set that alarm. You know you did. They secretly hate you.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:40 am to CatfishJohn
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My son, who has been asked to be on a couple of travel ball teams, could absolutely not do it and do all of flag football, soccer, basketball, golf, and swimming. He says he loves them all. Swimming and golf would be I think would be the big ones he would have to give up in the Summer, at least partially, to play in our "travel ball" type leagues.
well god damn...of course if you have a fall sport in football, a winter sport in basketball and a spring sport like soccer....of course he isnt going to be able to do another spring sport on top of that.
you cant play every sport in the world and then so another sport doesnt allow you to play multiple sports
but you absolutely can play a fall and winter sport with travel baseball
and for most of the south travel baseball is done by july 4th.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:40 am to CatfishJohn
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My son, who has been asked to be on a couple of travel ball teams,
it was so subtle but i caught it bro.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:43 am to migui8618
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You set that alarm. You know you did. They secretly hate you.
yea thats it...i want my kid getting up bugging the frick out of me while im trying to get breakfast made and lunches packed and uniforms laid out.....
im just forcing them to play, thats why i have other sons who dont play baseball at all and only did played rec when they did
:rotflmao: nothing i love more in the world than getting up for an 8am game on a spring saturday....so so so much better than going fishing or playing a game of golf. No possible way i could possibly rather be drinking a beer and hitting the little white ball around.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:52 am to lsu777
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yea thats it...i want my kid getting up bugging the frick out of me while im trying to get breakfast made and lunches packed and uniforms laid out.....
im just forcing them to play, thats why i have other sons who dont play baseball at all and only did played rec when they did
nothing i love more in the world than getting up for an 8am game on a spring saturday....so so so much better than going fishing or playing a game of golf. No possible way i could possibly rather be drinking a beer and hitting the little white ball around.
Oh yeah...I think you do. The projection in your post should be studied by science. You are so emphatically typing, you can't even use a capital letter at the beginning of your sentence. It must be absolute torture to be your offspring. Get help. Fast. Bye bye.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 9:59 am to lsu777
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yall are so fricking stupid with this shite
You're really no better. As with every thread on here, you spout off with "everyone is lying about travel ball" but when confronted with people's anecdotal experiences you will eventually say, "well that's not how my kids travel ball team is".
Maybe, it can be both? Maybe, some of the good things you say are true, and some of the bad things they say are true? Maybe, travel ball has a reputation for a reason and it's not because a bunch of people on the internet decided to pick on travel ball parents.
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s. The best kid in the 12 year old league pitched 58, 10 year olds in travel throw that.
Are you clocking 10 year olds?'
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most travel kids play multiple sports
This generally decreases as they get older. Not just baseball but any travel sport. I attended a coaches meeting for basketball at our school league and listened to the local gym owner tell parents that "when your kids are in junior high, they need to start focusing on 1 sport".
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very very few play year around(practice and train, sure but not games)
Again, with age i find this to be less true, at least locally.
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oh and no you cant make good hs teams just playing rec ball.
Maybe, but it's a self fulfilling prophecy. A few years back, a shrewd park owner convinced some parents that "if you just pay x amount, you can have access to this park year round and your kid will definitely play in college". So word of mouth spread, and more people started to pay more for "better results". Well, now it has morphed to "if you don't play travel ball your kid will never play JV sports at school", and "if we don't cut the 7 year olds who aren't out of the womb athletic, then we'll never get priority at practice fields or seeding at tournaments." I state this all the time, it didn't HAVE to be this way, but now it is. Now, for most cases, you do HAVE to be on a travel/tournament team or your kid will fall behind. There are exceptions, but in the end, if he wants to play high school ball (and even that is considered inferior to true travel teams) then we, the parents, must pony up $2-3k every year and say goodbye to weekends for 6+ months out of the year.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 10:07 am to Lgrnwd
I've had three boys play baseball
Oldest - played rec through 12U and did "All Stars" after the rec season for 3-4 tournaments. Played rec only in 12U, before quitting baseball. Just time for him to move on. That's an age where lots move on from baseball.
Middle - played rec through 12 U and did "All Stars" in 7 and 8U. In 9U, a dad formed a tournament team that was comprised of kids that still played rec. So, we played in tournaments throughout the year, but also all broke up and played rec. He did this through 12U before quitting baseball to focus on soccer and football.
Youngest - played rec through 8U and joined a baseball "organization" and plays strictly tournament baseball. (He also plays soccer, football and school basketball). I originally wanted this kid to follow a path more like my middle son. A mix between laid back but serious. But we didn't have the right dads to do this. To my surprise, our experience at an organization has been great. I realize that's not everyone's experience.
If we are being completely honest, playing just rec baseball isn't enough. I've had two kids play rec though 12U. Its like 10 games and the pitching is horrible and they probably have less than 10 real at bats where they get to swing a bat and probably about 10 balls that they have a chance to field.
That's just not enough. Those aren't real reps. The kids he will compete against later on are so far ahead of the rec kids that its crazy. Sure, you can give me an example of a great athlete that didn't play much until 13U. Those outliers exist. But for most normal kids, the ones that play rec aren't making the junior high team. They are too far behind.
When we were kids in the 80's, we played rec. But we also played with friends all the time. Those skills were being honed year round in fun ways. Kids don't do that anymore.
And also, if we're being honest, for the most part these HS teams today would kick your 1990's HS team's arse. They are better in every aspect. Its hard for kids to make the HS team if they aren't already very polished as a player. And those rec reps won't get them there.
Tournament baseball covers such a wide spectrum. You can find the right mix for your kid. There are teams that take it seriously and teams that don't. Teams that travel and those that don't. Teams that play in the Spring only and teams that play year round. Teams coached by dad or teams coached by high level coaches. Teams that costs $5,000 a year and teams that cost $500 a year.
As long as the kid enjoys it, that's all that matters.
Oldest - played rec through 12U and did "All Stars" after the rec season for 3-4 tournaments. Played rec only in 12U, before quitting baseball. Just time for him to move on. That's an age where lots move on from baseball.
Middle - played rec through 12 U and did "All Stars" in 7 and 8U. In 9U, a dad formed a tournament team that was comprised of kids that still played rec. So, we played in tournaments throughout the year, but also all broke up and played rec. He did this through 12U before quitting baseball to focus on soccer and football.
Youngest - played rec through 8U and joined a baseball "organization" and plays strictly tournament baseball. (He also plays soccer, football and school basketball). I originally wanted this kid to follow a path more like my middle son. A mix between laid back but serious. But we didn't have the right dads to do this. To my surprise, our experience at an organization has been great. I realize that's not everyone's experience.
If we are being completely honest, playing just rec baseball isn't enough. I've had two kids play rec though 12U. Its like 10 games and the pitching is horrible and they probably have less than 10 real at bats where they get to swing a bat and probably about 10 balls that they have a chance to field.
That's just not enough. Those aren't real reps. The kids he will compete against later on are so far ahead of the rec kids that its crazy. Sure, you can give me an example of a great athlete that didn't play much until 13U. Those outliers exist. But for most normal kids, the ones that play rec aren't making the junior high team. They are too far behind.
When we were kids in the 80's, we played rec. But we also played with friends all the time. Those skills were being honed year round in fun ways. Kids don't do that anymore.
And also, if we're being honest, for the most part these HS teams today would kick your 1990's HS team's arse. They are better in every aspect. Its hard for kids to make the HS team if they aren't already very polished as a player. And those rec reps won't get them there.
Tournament baseball covers such a wide spectrum. You can find the right mix for your kid. There are teams that take it seriously and teams that don't. Teams that travel and those that don't. Teams that play in the Spring only and teams that play year round. Teams coached by dad or teams coached by high level coaches. Teams that costs $5,000 a year and teams that cost $500 a year.
As long as the kid enjoys it, that's all that matters.
Posted on 3/26/25 at 10:12 am to Brotorious
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I’m on my 2nd kid playing travel ball and I absolutely hate it.
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I freakin hate weekends at the ball park. It’s not the way baseball is meant to played.
I know I’ve said it on here before, but someone is going to make a lot of money when they figure out how to occupy that middle ground between select ball and rec. I bet over half the parents with kids in select are like us and see it as a necessary evil and participate reluctantly. I’ve got 2 tournaments this weekend. My husband and I will go our separate ways for the weekend and miss watching one of our kids play. We’ll both be frazzled on Monday if we get that early Sunday start. The whole thing is insane.
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