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'They'd Just Fight Until You Killed Them' Battle of Okinawa, WWII
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:19 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:19 am
Better known as 'Operation Iceberg'
Just a few excerpts from the Mr Bertrams story:
Harry_Bertram
Lots more info at the above liked site on the Sixth Marine Division during Operation Iceberg.
Lots more info:
Operation_IceBerg
Wiki-Operation Iceberg
I had a great uncle KIA in the last two weeks of fighting at Okinawa on June 5 1945, born Aug 24, 1922:
PFC Lesley Ford Malone
Company A
1st Battalion
29th Marine Regiment
6th Marine Division
FMF
RIP Marine, a grateful nation will always remember you.
Just a few excerpts from the Mr Bertrams story:
quote:
Harry Bertram lived to tell about it—although for a long time he didn’t talk to his wife, Dolores, and their six children about the horrors he endured. He was 18—really still just a boy—when, as a U.S. Marine, he landed on the Japanese coral island. It was Easter Sunday, April 1, 1945.
“April Fools Day,” Bertram, now 88, said during an interview at his Port Orange home.
Bertram was an automatic rifleman with the 6th Marine Division, 29th Infantry regiment, I Company. The regiment began the Okinawa campaign with 3,512 Marines; when the battle of Okinawa ended 82 days later, 2,812 members of the regiment had been killed or wounded. Bertram remembers being soaked by cold monsoon rains. He often went hungry, partly because the stench of decaying bodies so permeated the air that he couldn’t eat. The noise of battle was constant. He lost normal human feelings.
“You just became numb,” he said.
Harry_Bertram
Lots more info at the above liked site on the Sixth Marine Division during Operation Iceberg.
Lots more info:
Operation_IceBerg
Wiki-Operation Iceberg
I had a great uncle KIA in the last two weeks of fighting at Okinawa on June 5 1945, born Aug 24, 1922:
PFC Lesley Ford Malone
Company A
1st Battalion
29th Marine Regiment
6th Marine Division
FMF
RIP Marine, a grateful nation will always remember you.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:23 am to Reubaltaich
My grandfather was on Iwo, and his cousin was on Okinawa. Can't imagine the things those two men must've seen
ETA: My grandfather said the same thing about the food, except his phrase was: "Everything tasted like death. Death has a taste. You can feel it in your bones, too."
I'll never forget how chilling it was to hear him say that so matter-of-fact(ly)
ETA: My grandfather said the same thing about the food, except his phrase was: "Everything tasted like death. Death has a taste. You can feel it in your bones, too."
I'll never forget how chilling it was to hear him say that so matter-of-fact(ly)
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 10:53 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:23 am to Reubaltaich
quote:
They'd Just Fight Until You Killed Them
This is why the bombs were necessary. The American casualty estimates of an invasion of mainland Japan were astronomical.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:44 am to Reubaltaich
I did some work for a marine that was on Iwo Jima, and he said “we killed them by the thousands“. He said we shot them, stabbed them, and burned them. Anything we could do to survive.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 10:45 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 10:46 am to Reubaltaich
My Dad drove a DUKW delivering troops, ammo and supplies, wounded and dead back and forth across the shallow reefs during that battle for the Army 7th Infantry. The reefs were very shallow and only passable at high tide. None of the big landing craft could make it across on that side of Okinawa.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:03 am to VADawg
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This is why the bombs were necessary. The American casualty estimates of an invasion of mainland Japan were astronomical.
Yep, we had been firebombing the hell out of Japan for months, they sustained 10s of thousands of losses and they still were fighting.
Many of the homes of the Japanese were made of bamboo which was a reason many Japanese cities were in flames.
It is estimated that the US would have sustained over 1 million casualties, if not more.
The Japanese were willing to fight to last person. The women and children were being trained to fight.
The Japanese would have sustained millions of losses.
The Japanese Emperor Hirohito saw that they could withstand the onslaught of the Allied invasion of mainland Japan, so he commanded the Japanese Army and the Japanese people to surrender.
It has been contended that the top commander of the Japanese Imperial military forces want to have Hirohito assassinated and keep on fighting to the last person.
Many contend the real reason that the Japanese surrendered was that the Russians were bearing down on Japan with their invasion of Manchuria and had mainland Japan in their sites.
I think this may be the more plausible reason for the Japanese surrender.
If the Russians would have invaded Japan, were would have seen it divided up much like Germany and Korea.
We may have seen another conflict much like we did in Korea.
A little known fact about WWII is that just 20 years earlier, the Japanese were allies of the US in WWI.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:07 am to Reubaltaich
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PFC Lesley Ford Malone
Did he leave a corvette and a note under an old green army tarp?
Had a great great uncle get shot and killed by a German sniper a few days before VE Day.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:08 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:09 am to Reubaltaich
My dad served in the Navy during WWII and was at the Okinawa aboard an attack transport, the USS Gage APA-168. A short blurb about that day, exactly 75 years ago:
quote:.
01-April-1945: The Gage joined in the assault at Hagushi Beach, Okinawa. Gage landed and supported marines of the 3rd Battalion, 4th Regiment, 6th Division, a Navy construction battalion, a medical company, and combat equipment. Gage was on station for five days and nights during heavy fighting and almost continuous kamikaze threat
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:11 am to tommy2tone1999
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My Dad drove a DUKW delivering troops, ammo and supplies, wounded and dead back and forth across the shallow reefs during that battle for the Army 7th Infantry. The reefs were very shallow and only passable at high tide. None of the big landing craft could make it across on that side of Okinawa.
Another fact often overlooked fact about the Pacific Campaign in WWII, Operation Iceberg was a larger endeavor than that D-Day in Europe. It was that large.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:11 am to Reubaltaich
One hell of a generation they were.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:12 am to Reubaltaich
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Many contend the real reason that the Japanese surrendered was that the Russians were bearing down on Japan with their invasion of Manchuria and had mainland Japan in their sites.
I’ve heard this stated more and more, but it never really made sense to me. Is it plausible that the Japanese were willing to fight to the last man, woman, and child, and risk more atomic bombs being dropped on them by continuing to fight against the greatest standing army and navy at that time, but the thought of the Russians entering the war was what frightened them into surrender?
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:13 am to beerJeep
I thought of the same song when I read that. Plan fell apart when there was no private Andrew Malone.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:15 am to cubsfinger
That song has always given me chills.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:18 am to Jimbeaux
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Is it plausible that the Japanese were willing to fight to the last man, woman, and child, and risk more atomic bombs being dropped on them by continuing to fight against the greatest standing army and navy at that time, but the thought of the Russians entering the war was what frightened them into surrender?
I'm guessing the thought of being occupied by the Americans was less terrifying than being occupied by the Soviets.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:18 am to Jimbeaux
I worked for a marine that was in the pacific. RIP
He did not talk much but said we did not take any prisoners and neither did they. He said we did not have enough to eat and was hungry most of the time.
He did not talk much but said we did not take any prisoners and neither did they. He said we did not have enough to eat and was hungry most of the time.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:29 am to VADawg
Once again, the 5th Marine Regiment was in the middle of it.
Semper Fi
Semper Fi
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:41 am to Jimbeaux
Russian did mass war rape against German women . Idk of American or British did as , but it was horrific
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:42 am to Boo Krewe
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Russian did mass war rape against German women . Idk of American or British did as , but it was horrific
The Japanese cornered the market on crimes against civilians (and POWs). Some of the shite they did to people makes ISIS look like choir boys.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 11:43 am
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:43 am to Reubaltaich
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Yep, we had been firebombing the hell out of Japan for months, they sustained 10s of thousands of losses and they still were fighting.
We burned out 14.5 square miles in Tokyo. Think about that. 14.5 square miles.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 11:47 am to Reubaltaich
My Grandpa was at Okinawa as part of the 6th Marine division. He hardly spoke about his experience and for good reason. Did learn a few details from my uncle, he said the Japanese would attack at all hours of the night, sometime hand to hand combat so you had to be ready at all times.
Once the war was over my grandpa had trouble adjusting. He had a very short temper so he and his sister just drove around the county, no destination, just drove... Just to keep is mind off of things. I never saw that side of him which amazes me. So much respect for that generation and those who served.
He did bring back a blood soaked Japanese flag, have it in my basement.
Once the war was over my grandpa had trouble adjusting. He had a very short temper so he and his sister just drove around the county, no destination, just drove... Just to keep is mind off of things. I never saw that side of him which amazes me. So much respect for that generation and those who served.
He did bring back a blood soaked Japanese flag, have it in my basement.
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