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re: There aren’t enough skilled workers and guys under 40 willing to work with their hands
Posted on 1/22/23 at 11:51 am to baldona
Posted on 1/22/23 at 11:51 am to baldona
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But do you really want an Indian guy or Guatemalan fresh off the boat coming to do your kitchen remodel?
If they're competent.
You just hire white dudes?
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Posted on 1/22/23 at 11:56 am to Turnblad85
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OP was wondering why younger people aren't eager to enter the trades. Majority of tradesmen aren't going to become owners/supervisors. A few will make good money. Most will be lower middle class working a hot/cold laborious dirty job. Hence fewer people wanting to enter that particular workforce. And people are still confusing yearly income with total compensation. One of my pet peeves but I doubt this will change anytime soon.
I know multiple tradesmen with excellent benefits, so I’m not sure why compensation matters? There’s professionals with poor benefits also.
The discussion here is we should get more young people that are not going to college to be a professional or into stem into the trades. It’s goofy to argue the journalism major that can’t pump his bike tire at NYU should have went into the trades. We don’t want those people anyway.
The people that should be going into the trades are the guys that go into college list and then drop out in a year or two or end up changing majors multiple times and just graduate to get a degree, then don’t have a plan.
There should be more programs that teach trades along with college business classes. Get more into the trades but with a better trajectory.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 11:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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If they're competent. You just hire white dudes?
My point is they aren’t competent in trades that require a cert. How many white immigrants do we have going into manual labor? Come on. That wasn’t racist it was realistic on where most immigrants come from.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:03 pm to Arthur Bach
This board suddenly doesn't believe in market forces when it comes to blue collar labor. They want cheap.
Hint: pay more for a sustained period of time and more people will decide to go into those careers. If they aren't then you're not paying enough.
You'd think after the last 2 years of corporations turning on conservatives, that they'd stop doing the bidding of corporations, but nah.. here we are.
Hint: pay more for a sustained period of time and more people will decide to go into those careers. If they aren't then you're not paying enough.
You'd think after the last 2 years of corporations turning on conservatives, that they'd stop doing the bidding of corporations, but nah.. here we are.
This post was edited on 1/22/23 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:09 pm to baldona
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At least not in the sense of immediately doing the job, they could immigrate and become a plumber after 10 years or so.
Just like local people.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:11 pm to baldona
quote:you have no fricking idea what you are talking about
But immigrants will never be electricians, plumbers, etc. that require a certification and more involved work. At least not in the sense of immediately doing the job, they could immigrate and become a plumber after 10 years or so.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:11 pm to BeepNode
quote:Yep.
Hint: pay more for a sustained period of time and more people will decide to go into those careers. If they aren't then you're not paying enough.
You'd think after the last 2 years of corporations turning on them, that they'd stop doing the bidding of corporations, but nah.. here we are.
Americans want cheap labor because it leads to cheap products.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:14 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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A fair wage is the wage an individual will accept a job and work for. We pay fair wages.
So you pay your legal immigrants less than American counterpoints for the same job? Not illegal just a sleaze-ball move.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:16 pm to TCO
Conservatives: we have too many welfare-dependent worker immigrants. it's dangerous and a drain on our society!
Also conservatives: We need more immigrant workers that will work for cheap so woke corporations will make more money!
Also conservatives: We need more immigrant workers that will work for cheap so woke corporations will make more money!
This post was edited on 1/22/23 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:21 pm to Broski
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Nah, it's just that office work is better for quality of life.
Don’t underestimate the mantra that everyone has to go to college regardless of ability.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:28 pm to Arthur Bach
One of the many reasons I switched careers in my late 30s was from talking to guys on jobsites in their 50s. Knee pain, back pain, shoulder pain, hip pain. I'm already feeling it. I had very strenuous jobs for 15 years before going to part office/part field. I don't want to be in the field in my 50s and 60s. Minor home projects, fine. I don't want my living dependent on it.
I was fortunate to be able to switch. A lot of blue collar guys don't or won't have many options, especially in rural areas
I was fortunate to be able to switch. A lot of blue collar guys don't or won't have many options, especially in rural areas
This post was edited on 1/23/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:32 pm to Buryl
Sometimes I'm envious of people that work outside but I"m sure that will subside when I'm in my late 50's. Obviously when the weather outside is terrible I am thankful.
Overall, I think working in an office is unhealthy for most people because most lack the discipline to do workouts outside of work. Sitting in a chair all day is terrible for you.
Overall, I think working in an office is unhealthy for most people because most lack the discipline to do workouts outside of work. Sitting in a chair all day is terrible for you.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:34 pm to TCO
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So you pay your legal immigrants less than American counterpoints for the same job?
No. Citizens aren't doing the job for the wages farmers and some small businesses need to pay. They can't compete with BigCorp otherwise.
Should I force citizens to work for less wages or something?
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:36 pm to BeepNode
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Conservatives: we have too many welfare-dependent worker immigrants. it's dangerous and a drain on our society!
Also conservatives: We need more immigrant workers that will work for cheap so woke corporations will make more money!
Parts of this statement would be correct if this was the 1980's.
Woke Corporations aren't hiring illegals, chief. Their corporate officers do though.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:37 pm to tiggerthetooth
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Pay more.
Lol that’s not it.
Have you seen the rate for labor in any type of repair and maintenance?
We pushed an entire generation to go get liberal degrees because other jobs are for people not worth a shite.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:37 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It used to be if you didn't work you didn't eat.
Back then you didn't have many guys claiming they were "too good for that kind of work".
Back then you didn't have many guys claiming they were "too good for that kind of work".
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:39 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Woke Corporations aren't hiring illegals, chief. Their corporate officers do though.
Wage pressure in any one area affects other areas. It's all connected. The corporate workforce is not in a vacuum.
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:40 pm to dgnx6
quote:the rate of pay in the trades is not the reason kids don’t go to trade school. In fact a tradesman today probably has a work/life/health/wealth balance most here would consider to be ideal.
Have you seen the rate for labor in any type of repair and maintenance?
I sure the frick do
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:43 pm to BeepNode
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Wage pressure in any one area affects other areas. It's all connected.
Not directly. Small biz benefits the most, who don't compete vs big corp.
This post was edited on 1/22/23 at 12:44 pm
Posted on 1/22/23 at 12:49 pm to cgrand
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But immigrants will never be electricians, plumbers, etc. that require a certification and more involved work. At least not in the sense of immediately doing the job, they could immigrate and become a plumber after 10 years or so. you have no fricking idea what you are talking about
Then how am I wrong? We are talking skilled workers here, not basic labor.
Maybe not in a select few big cities, but the average immigrant coming here to work is either finding unskilled work like basic construction or they are something like a J-1 which is completely different.
I’ve been involved in real estate/ development for almost 20 years and I’ve never met someone that was an electrician, plumber, hvac, etc. that needed a certification that had immigrated in the past 5 years. I’m
Not referring to guys that immigrated when they were kids or something like that.
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