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re: The “Zone Rouge”—dangerous post WWI site

Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:59 pm to
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
32420 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 7:59 pm to
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The idiot I was with found some unexploded artillery shells and started tapping on one of them with his foot! What an idiot.



Yeah, I don’t believe that. If you’re telling the truth, you hang out with a complete idiot.
Posted by northshorebamaman
Mackinac Island
Member since Jul 2009
38577 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 8:19 pm to
I was checking out some of the red areas on that map in google. You can make out trenches and artillery craters all over the place.
Posted by MadDoggyStyle
Member since Feb 2012
3857 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 8:35 pm to
My dad was stationed in Germany in the 70’s and our Boy Scout troop went to Verdun and camped for a week in and around some of the major battle sites. I vividly remember going in some caves used by the German aremy and there were bones stacked 12-15 feet high with thousands of skeletons, along with old, rusting artillery shells, helmets, bayonets and all manner of supplies. Strangely, there was no regard for preserving the bones, or the war relics so we took some with us as souvenirs. I had a bayonet and a German officers helnet with a single point. My brother was handling a bouncing Betty and our Soutmaster warned him that some of them could still detonate.

At that time, the amount of ruins from WW I and II were immense and old tanks, bunkers and bombed out buildings were just part of the landscape. Very surreal for a 12year old.
This post was edited on 4/28/18 at 8:48 pm
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56204 posts
Posted on 4/28/18 at 11:41 pm to
It wasn't a pile of shells. It was just one surrounded by shell fragments lying on the ground. Very rusty. Not a huge shell, a French 75mm or German 77mm shell. I don't know why he tapped it with his foot. It was half buried in the sandy mud and maybe he was trying to roll it over to get a better look.

I guess he thought that it was about almost 100 years old, a rusty dud, and would not explode. I'm glad he only did that once.

This shell was about a foot long and about three inches wide. It was the projectile and not the shell casing. We didn't see any whole shells lying around, just expended ordnance.
Posted by Crow Pie
Neuro ICU - Tulane Med Center
Member since Feb 2010
27947 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 12:28 am to
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They named it after Baton Rouge because it was just as dangerous

It's Happeneing...again.
Posted by SundayFunday
Member since Sep 2011
10516 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:38 am to
Yeah.. your buddy was about to be reallll close with those soldiers
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
39253 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 8:33 am to
I'd love to grab a few relics from the site. I wouldn't feel bad about it since they just treat it as garbage (which I get). How did you guys bring it back?
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56204 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 10:12 am to
They have trails that are meant to be used for walking. You can find a clear area, and carefully look at the ground near the trail. If you see some metal shell fragments, there will be some small enough to gather a few and put in your coat pocket. You can just bring them home in your baggage.

The French park service should really gather up a bunch of harmless shell frags and sell them.

Don't get caught by the police.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
39253 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 11:28 am to
What is the punishment?
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56204 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 2:22 pm to
The punishment after being arrested by the police in France and charged with attempted theft of national property of the Government of France? I don't know. But if you are an active duty military member who gets caught up in the criminal justice system of France, then, your military career prospects probably drop to Very Poor.

If you are civilian tourist then you risk missing your flight back to the USA while you spend time hiring legal counsel and working your way through the French criminal justice system.

This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 2:24 pm
Posted by MountainTiger
The foot of Mt. Belzoni
Member since Dec 2008
14974 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 3:39 pm to
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I was checking out some of the red areas on that map in google. You can make out trenches and artillery craters all over the place.

Here's the fort at Belleville
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
56204 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 7:21 pm to
Here's a nice news article from Reuters about the villages on the Verdun battlefield that were destroyed during the battle and never rebuilt again. Some villages were reduced to a white powdery smudge on the tortured brown pock-marked landscape.

Ghost Villages of Verdun

Take a look at the pile of bones that they found on the battlefield and stacked them up here.

LINK

It's a mountain of bones and skulls and enough to give anyone nightmares. Ashes to ashes, dust to dust . . .
This post was edited on 4/29/18 at 7:29 pm
Posted by reggierayreb
Member since Nov 2012
19880 posts
Posted on 4/29/18 at 9:25 pm to
They called Verdun , The Somme and The Lys ‘meat grinders’ for a reason.

Terrible time to be alive.
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