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re: The U.S. does not have a housing shortage, it has a crime problem shrinking livable areas
Posted on 2/11/23 at 6:07 am to Oilfieldbiology
Posted on 2/11/23 at 6:07 am to Oilfieldbiology
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Because in the central planner’s minds, everyone deserves to live in a beautiful, well run area, even if they actively made their last area worse.
All in the while refusing to admit the area is beautiful and well ran because trash is priced out of the housing market.
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Posted on 2/11/23 at 6:24 am to Big Scrub TX
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Orlando, Florida (15.27%)
Miami (14.75%)
Tampa, Florida (13.71%)
Birmingham, Alabama (13.23%)
New Orleans (13.1%)
Riverside, California (12.13%)
Jacksonville, Florida (11.87%)
Florida tops our list of most vacant cities:
Is this taking in to account all of the snowbird properties in FL, that they want to rent out their condo for $6K/month when they aren't here? Hell, there were properties (before Ian hit), that rented for 10's of thousands on the beach here. LOTS of them. FL is an anomaly.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 7:09 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Need to gentrify those areas
Posted on 2/11/23 at 7:53 am to Oneforthemoney
Eventually those areas will be gentrified. But they will empty out first which usually means redevelopment rather than refurbishment. And that means more $$$.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 8:10 am to Bjorn Cyborg
You can only blame the greatest generation and boomers. Instead of staying, standing their ground and voting in local council members to fix the issues and repair their homes, they all just left. When the going got tough, they abandoned their neighborhoods and left for the suburbs. They sold their homes for cheap and the culture bought them up like hot cakes.
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 8:11 am
Posted on 2/11/23 at 9:30 am to Upperdecker
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You don’t have a right to live in a city. If you can’t afford it, move elsewhere
You don't find a whole lot of Section 8 in rural areas, they are primarily in cities so your "affordability" argument largely fails.
Crime and poverty go hand-in-hand, especially today as the government essentially funds poverty (and thus crime) with programs which penalize making good life choices.
The OP's point is a good one, when looking at housing problems one thing never mentioned is population migration due to crime. North BR is a prime example. It's higher land (ie: less likely to flood, needs less work to keep from flooding), plentiful infrastructure for its population, convenient to industrial and commercial hubs, yet the push is for people to move south and east into flood-prone areas which are farther and farther out from hubs and has less traffic infrastructure than needed for its population. What keeps people (of all races) moving farther and farther from NBR? Crime, and it's only going to get worse as they continue to build more Section 8 complexes on the other side of 110 from downtown.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 11:20 am to Bard
LBJ and his “Great Society” started a continuing housing boom back in the mid 60`s.
White and black families did not want forced desegregation back then, just ask anyone willing to give you an honest answer. The busing and changing of school district boundaries was brought on by pressure from the federal government on local school boards with the threat of losing federal funding. Neighborhoods and communities settled from original immigrants that settled here were broken up. Many of these areas that were working class neighborhoods are now crime infested ghettos. There were already some white kids that went to the mostly black schools and some black kids that went to the mostly white schools. Desegregation probably would have happened to some degree without the governments’ intervention but it would have happened by the will of the people. LBJ`s Great Society programs got it all started. White flight began and government subsidized buyers and renters moved in. Land developers and crooked politicians lined their pockets with the housing boom that white flight created. Flight is still accruing now but it`s more like people of all races that are productive citizens are fleeing areas where the non productive citizens are moving in where crime is rampant. Facts tell you it has never been just white people fleeing but more like the productive fleeing the non productive crime infested areas. The battle will be lost if the non productive citizens outnumber the productive citizens.
White and black families did not want forced desegregation back then, just ask anyone willing to give you an honest answer. The busing and changing of school district boundaries was brought on by pressure from the federal government on local school boards with the threat of losing federal funding. Neighborhoods and communities settled from original immigrants that settled here were broken up. Many of these areas that were working class neighborhoods are now crime infested ghettos. There were already some white kids that went to the mostly black schools and some black kids that went to the mostly white schools. Desegregation probably would have happened to some degree without the governments’ intervention but it would have happened by the will of the people. LBJ`s Great Society programs got it all started. White flight began and government subsidized buyers and renters moved in. Land developers and crooked politicians lined their pockets with the housing boom that white flight created. Flight is still accruing now but it`s more like people of all races that are productive citizens are fleeing areas where the non productive citizens are moving in where crime is rampant. Facts tell you it has never been just white people fleeing but more like the productive fleeing the non productive crime infested areas. The battle will be lost if the non productive citizens outnumber the productive citizens.
Posted on 2/11/23 at 11:23 am to LolStarFishlol
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they abandoned their neighborhoods and left for the suburbs.
Greatest generation often lived in the same neighborhood their entire lives.
The greatness of our cities was based on its different neighborhoods. Progressives and Yuppies destroyed that.
This post was edited on 2/11/23 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 2/11/23 at 11:36 am to Bjorn Cyborg
Starter homes have to be below
$200k for lower income wage earners to buy one.
I paid $39k for my first house, $96k for my second. Sold it after 3 years for $120k. That home now would sell for over $200k
$200k for lower income wage earners to buy one.
I paid $39k for my first house, $96k for my second. Sold it after 3 years for $120k. That home now would sell for over $200k
Posted on 2/11/23 at 2:19 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Some of the stats don't seem to support your narrative:
The vacant houses is just one point in a greater discussion. It’s not THE point and it’s not THE narrative.
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