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re: The tale of two tragedies; Orlando and Istanbul
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:25 am to Festus
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:25 am to Festus
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Quit acting like an admin
maybe I am
Don't take it so personally because I pointed out you are falling into their trap. You realize we agree on the heart of the matter right
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 11:26 am
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Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:25 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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I guess you've never heard of ISIS sending internet messages out to the world calling to radicalise Muslims and generate these kinds of attacks
Another moronic statement. Having an internet message sent out to the unknown masses is far different from training and indoctrinating individuals on a personal level.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:28 am to LoveThatMoney
I guess you've also never seen the training videos
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:29 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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I guess you've also never seen the training videos
Yet again, moronic.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:30 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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maybe I am
You're not.
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Don't take it so personally because I pointed out you are falling into their trap.
I didn't.
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You realize we agree on the heart of the matter right
Yes. One of the things that bothers me on this site is when someone states something as a fact, when it's impossible to know. And no one ever questions it. I wanted to know if caterpillar knew something no one else could possibly know.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:31 am to LoveThatMoney
Damn, I guess you got me. Guess I'll never get to lovethatmoney
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:32 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
how much does bunch of gays being shot and bunch of innocent victims of mostly the non gay variety affect the public outcry?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:34 am to The Mick
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Radical (or sketchy at least) father, ties the the same mosque other terrorists have been linked to, etc etc. Saying he had no communication with ISIS seems naïve imo.
I'm just going by whats been reported. And that is he was radicalized by Al-Alacki videos (sp?) and maybe others at his mosque but never had any direct communication with ISIS and most importantly planned/financed/executed this attack all by himself.
And has a history of hating the gays, most likely because he himself was gay and he couldn't reconcile that with his bullshite religious choices.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:36 am to Salmon
quote:The government deleted that part from the 911 tapes originally when they released it. There was so much backlash they later released the full audio with the ISIS references. If you don't think our government covers up or tries to minimize terrorism in the US then you're not paying attention. Maybe they do it because they think it will lead to more violence or fear or maybe they're covering their own arse politically.
but then I don't know why they would release 911 tape where he pledged alliance with ISIS
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:36 am to upgrayedd
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I lean right.
Communist!
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:39 am to DirtyMikeandtheBoys
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Damn, I guess you got me. Guess I'll never get to lovethatmoney
Guess so. Apparently not everyone can grasp the nuanced differences between watching Saving Private Ryan and actually storming the beaches of Normandy.
frick.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:41 am to TheCaterpillar
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I can see the difference.
No doubt there is a difference. One guy versus 3 guys and help. A nightclub versus an airport. The level of security at the nightclub versus the airport, etc.
But I'm pointing out that each tragedy was very serious and deadly; yet one became a gun control anti gay deal and the other is treated more as if it were a military operation planned by professionals.
Look at the outcomes, look at motivation, and not at the politics. That's all I'm saying.
BTW, we don't know if the Orlando guy communicated with Isis, but wasn't he reported to have gone back to Syria?
But that's not my point, can't motivation have been the same?
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:41 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:Its terror, regardless of if he trained in person or not. Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc all the same assholes imo.
I'm just going by whats been reported. And that is he was radicalized by Al-Alacki videos (sp?) and maybe others at his mosque but never had any direct communication with ISIS and most importantly planned/financed/executed this attack all by himself.
quote:Not sure if he was gay or not. The government tried to paint it as a hate-crime originally so I don't really trust any slant about the gay or terrorism argument. Let's go with homophobic gay Islamic terrorist.
And has a history of hating the gays, most likely because he himself was gay and he couldn't reconcile that with his bullshite religious choices.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:45 am to doubleb
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e other is treated more as if it were a military operation planned by professionals.
Kind of was...
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yet one became a gun control anti gay deal
It was anti-gay, but that is because radical muslims are anti-gay. It wasn't a reflection of anti-gay sentiment in America, moreso of jihadists.
The gun control aspect is expected when shite like this happens in America. If you ever want to end the AR-15/assault rifle debate, kindly let someone know that twice as many people are killed from stabbings in this country than are killed from non-handgun gun violence.
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BTW, we don't know if the Orlando guy communicated with Isis, but wasn't he reported to have gone back to Syria?
A. They have said they have absolutely no evidence he has ever communicated with anyone over seas about attacking anyone.
B. I have not heard that being reported, but it would make sense he wanted to go to Syria to join ISIS forreal since he had pledged allegiance to them...in the future. I believe they said he had no travel to terrorist hotbeds that they know of.
He was a terrorist with terrorist intentions. He just did it alone, inspired remotely by radical Islam online and in his mosque.
This post was edited on 6/30/16 at 11:47 am
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:47 am to The Mick
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Its terror, regardless of if he trained in person or not. Al Qaeda, ISIS, etc all the same assholes imo.
I completely agree.
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Let's go with homophobic gay Islamic terrorist.
I like it.
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Not sure if he was gay or not.
Oh he was gay. Met up with gay dudes he met online, frequented gay night clubs, and his wife said he "struggled with his sexuality".
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:48 am to TheCaterpillar
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He was a terrorist with terrorist intentions. He just did it alone, inspired remotely by radical Islam online and in his mosque
I agree, except for one point; we know his wife helped him.
And we really don't know for sure what he did in Syria, what his dad's deal really is, etc.
But he was a terrorist, he was a jihadist, and if he couldn't have gotten a gun I'd suspect he'd find an alternative way to kill.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 11:52 am to doubleb
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I agree, except for one point; we know his wife helped him.
Well, sure. I meant moreso "help from an established terrorist network".
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And we really don't know for sure what he did in Syria
Hearing this from you for the first time. Never heard he recently traveled to Syria.
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what his dad's deal really is, etc.
His dad is a POS, but a businessman POS. For some reason, I think his dad isn't a terrorist, but his awful job raising children created a terrorist. Wouldn't be surprised to find out he is a financier of something though.
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But he was a terrorist, he was a jihadist, and if he couldn't have gotten a gun I'd suspect he'd find an alternative way to kill.
No doubt. He would've just suicide bombed it. Very easy to make bombs. A few pipe bombs with shrapnel thrown into the pulse dance floor might kill just as many people.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:04 pm to TheCaterpillar
quote:Ah gotcha, I quit paying attention after awhile.
Oh he was gay. Met up with gay dudes he met online, frequented gay night clubs, and his wife said he "struggled with his sexuality".
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:11 pm to doubleb
The media's agenda is actually doing a great job of destroying this country. It's a shame we don't care.
Posted on 6/30/16 at 12:11 pm to TheCaterpillar
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