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re: The system is designed to keep people poor
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:30 pm to anc
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:30 pm to anc
I worked hard to free up 1000 in bills the past 6 months in preparation of my son going off to college this fall only to have my employer health insurance double from 1000 to 2000 a month. FTGE
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:34 pm to jmorr34
quote:That's called financial predation. It's the same thing as digging a pit in the hopes that another person will fall into it.
Sounds like someone just came up with a good business plan to take advantage of those with poor financial decisions.
Deliberately exploiting another person's poverty, desperation, or ignorance may be legal, but it's certainly scummy. There need to be guardrails in place beyond "well, just don't be dumb enough to fall victim to the professionals who have spent a ton of money and time coming up with ways to take advantage of you."
This post was edited on 5/27/26 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:36 pm to DrrTiger
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My kid worked part-time for 2 years in high school and has $13k in a Roth IRA. Life is about choices.
The well-to-do family has spoken.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:36 pm to anc
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My teenage daughter (no pics) got a lifeguard job this summer. She set up all of her employment accounts and to get paid she has to use a service called DailyPay.
She can get her paycheck for hours that she worked the next day, but it charges around 5% to do this. Of course that's dumb so she just waits until traditional direct deposit day, but most everyone she works with is taking daily deposits.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:39 pm to c on z
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The well-to-do family has spoken.
Solidly middle class. We're just not morons.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:41 pm to Chuck Barris
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That's called financial predation. It's the same thing as digging a pit in the hopes that another person will fall into it.
I walked by a payday loan place just yesterday.
On one hand, I see a place like this satisfying a market need. However, at astronomical financing costs this is where I fall off.
Kicking people down in the name of risk when there are ways to diversify / mitigate the risk seems Greed > Market.
I would love to get in that loan book to see the real risk, how they price that risk, their margins and how they are / not mitigating it. Until, it’s hard to believe it is justified.
Satisfying the need…and price the real risk.
This post was edited on 5/27/26 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:46 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
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I walked by a payday loan place just yesterday.
These are nowhere near the same as payday loans.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:46 pm to DrrTiger
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My kid worked part-time for 2 years in high school and has $13k in a Roth IRA.
Good job. When I started my first job, I had a family friend explain compound interest via a 401k plan. When that first paycheck arrived, I started putting $10 per paycheck in a retirement account. When the first raise came along, I increased that to $15. I gradually increased it to a steady $50 per week. It's really not that difficult to save for the future.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:49 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
No it is not. But Chuck’s point is digging a hole to have people fall in. And the title of OP’s post invites discussion.
There are demarcation lines.
There are demarcation lines.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:50 pm to anc
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to get paid she has to use a service called DailyPay.
Highly doubtful. They are optional. A company cannot legally require you to use a EWA app as its only method of receiving your wages.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:52 pm to anc
Personal Responsibility. It’s not hard.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:58 pm to Everyday Is Saturday
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No it is not. But Chuck’s point is digging a hole to have people fall in. And the title of OP’s post invites discussion.
There are demarcation lines.
Then I disagree with the analogy on its face. Offering goods and services that people want and charging for them is not digging a hole to have people fall in. These apps when run through the employer, deduct the fees/advance at the next pay run and verify payroll amounts prior to advancement amounts to ensure sufficient funding. There is nothing predatory about them. Predatory would be designing the system in a way that once a person falls into it, they cannot get out. Very distinct difference here.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 1:59 pm to Chuck Barris
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professionals who have spent a ton of money and time coming up with ways to take advantage of you
This is an issue with a lot of financial stuff like predatory lending (payday loans, cash advances, etc. and even student loans) But I don't think that's the case here with the OP's daughter and her paycheck. There are several similar scenarios like Venmo for example will process a transfer in 2-3 business days normally or you can have it processed immediately for a fee. My bank does the same with mobile deposits. It's a convenience fee and nothing more. It's much less "scummy" than payday loans and other predatory lending in my opinion where they intentionally try to take advantage of people.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 2:03 pm to F1y0n7h3W4LL
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If you do a job for me for an X amount of $$, why would you have to pay to get your cash out of hock?
Do you think their employment was agreed to be paid every single day when they were hired? Or do you think it is more likely they were told they would be paid every two weeks?
Why should an employer be forced to pay the cost of writing you a paper check every day your work? Or the admiinistrative costs of having to do payroll every single day?
Posted on 5/27/26 at 2:06 pm to anc
it's a zero sum war. can't have winners without loser/rich without poor
Posted on 5/27/26 at 2:08 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
Fair and clear point.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 2:13 pm to anc
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to get paid she has to use a service called DailyPay.
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he just waits until traditional direct deposit day
So she doesn't in fact have to use dailypay. Theres no fees if you use Dailypays debit card. It's a payroll advance, of course there's going to be some kind of fee associated with it. No one is required to use it, but it does offer some flexibility.
Not sure this has anything to do with the "system" keeping people poor.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 2:16 pm to anc
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My teenage daughter (no pics) got a lifeguard job this summer. She set up all of her employment accounts and to get paid she has to use a service called DailyPay.
She can get her paycheck for hours that she worked the next day, but it charges around 5% to do this. Of course that's dumb so she just waits until traditional direct deposit day, but most everyone she works with is taking daily deposits.
are you old enough to have a teenaged daughter? you sound like a teenaged daughter
Posted on 5/27/26 at 2:16 pm to DCtiger1
quote:As in, taking your pay on a third-party (neither the employee nor the employer) debit card? Why not just hand the employee a check or direct deposit the pay?
Theres no fees if you use Dailypays debit card.
Posted on 5/27/26 at 2:22 pm to Chuck Barris
They are direct depositing the pay. If you want to access your pay in advance, you have to use Dailypay. If you want to avoid fees, you have to use their card. Otherwise just do what normal people do and wait for direct deposit
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