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re: The Secret Service didn’t give Trump counter snipers for TWO YEARS until the Butler Rally

Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:36 am to
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:36 am to
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Does Jimmy Carter get counter snipers?


Jimmy Carter isn’t running for or the front runner to be the next President of the United States. This point is so fricking retarded.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:39 am to
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You can be Democrat or Republican, but if you're content with glaring irregularities, to say the least, with this whole thing, and then watch the State controlled media blow it off, should be extremely alarming to individual citizens of this country.


He didn’t die nor was he seriously hurt + it was almost certainly incompetence rather than a set up. If they wanted to off him they could do 1,000 more effective things.

Question the process and the people but trying to make it more than it was is to most a transparent attempt to make Trump sympathic during an election he’s starting to badly bungle.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:50 am to
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I would want to have a beer or two with you.


Will probably be in Vegas for a brief work trip in two weeks if you still live there.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:54 am to
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Throw in the convenient story line of “Iranian assassination attempt” or, as of yesterday’s scoop “China was involved”, and you’ve got the perfect excuse for Lindsey Graham and the warhawks / military industrial machine, to start WW3


Yeah, they would have done a big state funeral for Trump as an act of good will from Biden, Nikki Haley would be our next President, they’ll “find” communications between Crooks and the Iranians, and then it’s hardcore war against them and I firmly believe would be when our conflict would be noted as World War III at the latest.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:59 am to
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Nikki Haley would be our next President
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:02 pm to
Nikki would have had the delegates wrapped up at the RNC (even if it would have been a shite show) and she could certainly beat both Biden and Kamala. To the average person who doesn’t really pay attention to politics, Nikki just seems like a charming charismatic woman who won’t ruffle any feathers.

Everyone knows that Biden has been an atrocious President and is senile and Kamala is a cackling obnoxious bitch that people don’t want to hear from for 4-8 years. On the surface there’s nothing obnoxious or off putting about Nikki Haley. She would have almost certainly been the next elected President had that bullet blown Trump’s brains out.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:03 pm to
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Question the process and the people but trying to make it more than it was is to most a transparent attempt to make Trump sympathic during an election he’s starting to badly bungle.

The more info that comes out makes people think this was allowed to happen. I’m not completely convinced that’s true but I really can’t blame people for believing it. This might be the biggest failure of the USSS in 60 years.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:04 pm to
Trump isn’t even going to win this election. NH had absolutely no chance whatsoever.
Posted by tigersmanager
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:04 pm to
democrats are evil people
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:05 pm to
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He didn’t die nor was he seriously hurt + it was almost certainly incompetence rather than a set up.


Was it? Were all of these coincidences or errors leading up to the attempt. Please explain how all of this worked:

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1) He has no online footprint. Pretty weird for anyone really under the age of ninety to not have one, nevertheless a twenty year old kid.

2) He was in a fricking BlackRock commercial, which also has a lot to gain over Trump’s death saying that he’ll end the Ukraine War and has numerous CIA and FBI connections.

3) According to government cell phone tracking records, a member of the FBI visited him on several occasions.

4) Crooks apparently is sophisticated enough to create a bomb with a remote control detonator. How many twenty year old kids are capable of this? Did his parents that he lived with really not notice him ordering bomb making materials on Amazon?

5) Crooks’ home was notoriously spotless and bleached, to the point where there was no silverware in the household. That’s normal behavior and pretty fricking quick for some guy who just tried to assassinate the President. It’s not as if the FBI and CIA could have stopped by and done all this, right?

6) The Secret Service only showed up five days in advance of the rally despite the fact that the rally was announced ten days before. That is a comically late for the SS to set up a secure perimeter if you’ve ever dealt with them.

7) The perimeter was slightly over a hundred yards and they claimed it was safe, despite the fact that Oswald shot Kennedy from 200 yards away. Shouldn’t that be the bare minimum of perimeter (as AOC pointed out)?

8) Trump wasn’t given his typical SS agents that protected him and was given a hodgepodge of random amateur agents (many being short incompetent women). Couldn’t have been because that part of the SS was actually loyal to Trump and would have protected him, right?

9) The SS didn’t ever meet with local law enforcement on the day leading up to the assassination attempt. They also didn’t have a direct line of communication to the SS.

10) Cheatle claimed that they didn’t put any agents on the roof because it was too dangerous at a four degree slope and eleven feet high (you could fall from that height and probably not break a leg), despite the fact that they put the counter snipers on rooftops with a fourteen degree slope and 23 feet high. But regardless you don’t put another sniper on the water tower with a zero degree slope?

11) The Secret Service positioned three snipers inside the neighboring building that Crooks shot from instead of the roofs, which I guess they were assigned to snipe a fricking fly.

12) No one at the SS noticed the drone he flew at least twice over the farm?

13) No one really saw Crooks with a five foot collapsible ladder on the premises?

14) No one saw Crooks carrying a rifle?

15) An officer spotted Crooks 105 minutes before he shot Trump noting him as suspicious.

16) He was directly spotted multiple times with a rangefinder a little over a hour before the shooting, yet the SS did nothing?

17) The SS spotted Crooks on the roof twenty minutes before the shooting and did nothing and allowed Trump on the stage a few minutes later?

18) Crooks is visible from the roof to the audience behind Trump, which are much lower than the SS snipers that certainly would have seen him from one of the roofs.

19) Two minutes and one second before the shooting, dozens of Trump supporters scream out “He’s on the roof!” and “He’s got a fricking gun!” No one thought to tell the SS this?

20) Crooks just happens to show up on the only day in the past two years that Trump had counter snipers and is then killed by them. What are the chances of that?

21) And all this happening two days before the RNC, which if successful means that Nikki Haley is now the Republican nominee. Nikki will continue the forever wars, probably go to war with Iran framing Crooks as radicalized by the Iranians, and she will not go after the like of Mayorkas, Garland, Blinken, Sullivan, the FBI, the CIA, Big Pharma, the health agencies, and several dozen others over what they’ve done the past couple of years. It all adds up.


And I’m probably missing a dozen or so points and there are probably another few dozen that none of us know about yet. So please explain why your theory makes more sense than mine with all that listed above.
Posted by Tyga Woods
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Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:07 pm to
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Jimmy Carter isn’t running for or the front runner to be the next President of the United States. This point is so fricking retarded.


So you think Trump should've had counter snipers anytime he went anywhere for the past two years before campaign season started? Seems like a bit much.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:07 pm to
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And I’m probably missing a dozen or so points and there are probably another few dozen that none of us know about yet. So please explain why your theory makes more sense than mine with all that listed above.

Not to mention a cellular device was tracked visiting his home as well as an FBI office
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:08 pm to
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He didn’t die nor was he seriously hurt + it was almost certainly incompetence rather than a set up. If they wanted to off him they could do 1,000 more effective things.

Question the process and the people but trying to make it more than it was is to most a transparent attempt to make Trump sympathic during an election he’s starting to badly bungle.

Let me take a shot at your head and barely miss and see if you brush it off like this.
Posted by LongDucDong911
Member since Jan 2024
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:08 pm to
I believe there is A political board for this kind of drivel.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:10 pm to
Pipe down, you fricking nerd
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:13 pm to
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You seriously think you have snipers following Clinton or Obama around whenever they visit a city?


Are Clinton and Obama the current frontrunners or running for President?

And yes, I’d imagine their security details are only third or fourth behind Biden or Trump (theoretically for the later).

quote:

I get you became an expert in the past 2 weeks by reading tweets that made you feel good though.


I’ve fricking directly worked with the Secret Service. Sorry I know that they would think through a 12 foot tall roof 140 yards away from the stage. It doesn’t take someone with a three digit IQ to realize this. AOC could have literally set up a better safety perimeter for Trump than the Secret Service did.
Posted by Hot Carl
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:15 pm to
Jesse’s (who I like) tweet (and this thread) is either uninformed or intentionally misleading. I watched the entire press conference. Yes, it was the 1st event that SS had counter snipers at a Trump event since he’s been the nominee. But he’s had counter snipers at multiple events—they were just local law enforcement snipers.

Do I think the “deep state” is above assassinating Trump—or any other political figure they may find threatening? Of course not. But while I know conspiracy theories are fun to think about, I tend to always lean towards incompetence over something more sinister and nefarious. And there was a whole lot of incompetence that day in Butler.

What’s really scary is that there’s no way that was the 1st time they’ve cut corners and left a protectee exposed. It was just the 1st time they got caught. Thank God it was by some untrained 20-year-old dork and only 1 person died. Still 1 too many. But a trained and well funded assassin/small group could have sat in those trees 1,000 yards away and taken Trump out and got away without being noticed.
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:16 pm to
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You have never seen a former president or potential candidate being treated with the same security as the current one.


Not even same. Not even within the same order of magnitude


Well too bad I worked with the Secret Service before either Obama or McCain became President. On the top of my head I think there were like eight snipers surrounding the Ford Center at all times on all sides of every roof you could shoot from. Anyone who has ever worked with the Secret Service can instantly tell you that this is total bullshite.
Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:19 pm to
Wasn’t he busted with a drone and a rangefinder before the event?
Posted by Tyga Woods
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Member since Sep 2016
41528 posts
Posted on 8/3/24 at 12:19 pm to
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I worked with the Secret Service


in what capacity? local law enforcement?
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