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re: The Secret Service didn’t give Trump counter snipers for TWO YEARS until the Butler Rally
Posted on 8/3/24 at 6:27 am to biglego
Posted on 8/3/24 at 6:27 am to biglego
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Just to play devils advocate though. At the time of the shooting, Trump was not yet the GOP nominee
Doesn’t matter. He was the presumptive nominee and they get enhanced protection, NOT TO MENTION HE WAS PRESIDENT ALREADY
Posted on 8/3/24 at 7:04 am to Volvagia
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I get you became an expert in the past 2 weeks by reading tweets that made you feel good though.
I can’t wait to see what the news cycle directs his expertise to next
Posted on 8/3/24 at 7:18 am to Volvagia
quote:No.
You seriously think you have snipers following Clinton or Obama around whenever they visit a city?
Even in the first couple years after?
The bigger question is, why were they at this event?
Trump has had open air events all over the country over the previous 2 years.
He hasn’t had counter snipers at any of those.
Why this one?
He wasn’t even the accepted nominee yet.
It is blatantly clear that the level of ineptitude was off the conceivable chart, but there is a point where incompetence becomes suspect.
Do I think everyone there was in on it? Absolutely not.
I do believe that a higher up individual or individuals designed the situation to increase the chances of Crooks’ success.
I believe the goal was to have Trump murdered on live television. Removes the MAGA movement and likely incites retaliatory activity, allowing for the US government to gain even more control and legislate the 2A away even more.
Why do we accept that our government will murder individuals for political purposes (i.e. JFK) then immediately turn around and act like that is the least likely option and they would never do that?
It is pretty universally accepted that those in government are corrupt and will do anything to retain power, but that view is discarded in this situation.
Why?
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 7:29 am
Posted on 8/3/24 at 7:32 am to TheRouxGuru
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The fact that nobody gives a frick about this anymore is kind of concerning
Im sure there’s a different board where people care
Posted on 8/3/24 at 7:48 am to LPTReb
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The counter snipers were there to make sure the shooter couldn’t talk afterward.
One of the best quotes I've heard so far. SS evil doers admitted to not using counter sniper teams at all for MAGA in his 2024 campaign. So they just decide to use them that day? The fix was in.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 7:59 am to Scruffy
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Why do we accept that our government will murder individuals for political purposes (i.e. JFK) then immediately turn around and act like that is the least likely option and they would never do that?
Because people are stupid.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 8:08 am to S
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Im sure there’s a different board where people care
You can be Democrat or Republican, but if you're content with glaring irregularities, to say the least, with this whole thing, and then watch the State controlled media blow it off, should be extremely alarming to individual citizens of this country.
Are you just happy having a controlling class dictate how you are going to live your life ?
Posted on 8/3/24 at 8:33 am to jimmy the leg
quote:It really makes zero sense.
Because people are stupid.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 8:57 am to Tiger Ryno
“The government would never kill one of our own.We are all Americans.”
Well,the government just got through killing 100’s of thousands of Americans with the Covid pandemic.A lab altered gain of function virus,an experimental vaccine mandated for a large segment of our population that they knew wasn’t going to stop the infection or prevent transmission.Dr.Birx (scarf lady)admitted that in book she wrote after she retired.
The vaccine caused physical harm and death to a significant percentage of those that took it ,yet they’re still coming out with boosters and encouraging people to take it.
Virtually outlawed therapeutics -ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine because a viable therapeutic would have ended the EUA for the “vax”that made billions of dollars for pharma and dirt bags such as Fauci ,Bill Gates,Austin,no telling how many gov’t officials got rich from this,
How about the millions of illegals allowed across the border.I know of at least 6,young (American) women raped and murdered by illegals and there will be more.
There is nothing the Dems won’t do in the pursuit of money and power.
Trump is a direct threat to their plans to make America a Marxist country.
Well,the government just got through killing 100’s of thousands of Americans with the Covid pandemic.A lab altered gain of function virus,an experimental vaccine mandated for a large segment of our population that they knew wasn’t going to stop the infection or prevent transmission.Dr.Birx (scarf lady)admitted that in book she wrote after she retired.
The vaccine caused physical harm and death to a significant percentage of those that took it ,yet they’re still coming out with boosters and encouraging people to take it.
Virtually outlawed therapeutics -ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine because a viable therapeutic would have ended the EUA for the “vax”that made billions of dollars for pharma and dirt bags such as Fauci ,Bill Gates,Austin,no telling how many gov’t officials got rich from this,
How about the millions of illegals allowed across the border.I know of at least 6,young (American) women raped and murdered by illegals and there will be more.
There is nothing the Dems won’t do in the pursuit of money and power.
Trump is a direct threat to their plans to make America a Marxist country.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 10:28 am to TBoy
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You can’t actually believe this
Do you really think the CIA actually shut down that program? Even this fricking week, the CIA acknowledged that MKUltra is real, they just expect us to believe that they shut it down 40 years ago and just take their word for it. Gizmodo
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Was the attempted assassination of former president Donald Trump earlier this month part of a secret CIA program involving brainwashed killers? That’s the claim being made by some far-right accounts on X, but the U.S. intelligence agency is taking the unusual step of directly and forcefully denying the claims.
When it was revealed in the 1970s that the CIA had tried to develop a mind-manipulation program called MKUltra, it sounded like the most absurd conspiracy theory around. Unfortunately, it turned out to be true, even if the suggestive results of the program–and potential for creating Manchurian Candidate-like killers–have been exaggerated in the subsequent decades.
But MKUltra has become quite a meme in the 2020s, with many conspiracy theorists jumping into the fray after Trump was shot at by a 20-year-old during a rally in Butler, Pennsylvania on July 13. The shooter was identified as Thomas Matthew Crooks who acted alone. But some people on social media are trying to claim Crooks was somehow trained by the CIA under an MKUltra program to go after Trump.
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The CIA, for its part, decided to push back very publicly against these claims, something the agency doesn’t often do when weird conspiracy theories are floating around on the internet.
“These claims are utterly false, absurd, and damaging,” a CIA spokesperson told Gizmodo on Thursday. “The CIA had no relationship whatsoever with Thomas Crooks. Regarding MKULTRA, the CIA’s program was shut down more than 40 years ago, and declassified information about the program is publicly available on CIA.gov.”
Yeah, the CIA would have been better off simply keeping their mouths shut on that, but the fact that they have gone out of their way to deny this make me all the more suspicious.
Let’s go through the number of coincidences/errors:
1) He has no online footprint. Pretty weird for anyone really under the age of ninety to not have one, nevertheless a twenty year old kid.
2) He was in a fricking BlackRock commercial, which also has a lot to gain over Trump’s death saying that he’ll end the Ukraine War and has numerous CIA and FBI connections.
3) According to government cell phone tracking records, a member of the FBI visited him on several occasions.
4) Crooks apparently is sophisticated enough to create a bomb with a remote control detonator. How many twenty year old kids are capable of this? Did his parents that he lived with really not notice him ordering bomb making materials on Amazon?
5) Crooks’ home was notoriously spotless and bleached, to the point where there was no silverware in the household. That’s normal behavior and pretty fricking quick for some guy who just tried to assassinate the President. It’s not as if the FBI and CIA could have stopped by and done all this, right?
6) The Secret Service only showed up five days in advance of the rally despite the fact that the rally was announced ten days before. That is a comically late for the SS to set up a secure perimeter if you’ve ever dealt with them.
7) The perimeter was slightly over a hundred yards and they claimed it was safe, despite the fact that Oswald shot Kennedy from 200 yards away. Shouldn’t that be the bare minimum of perimeter (as AOC pointed out)?
8) Trump wasn’t given his typical SS agents that protected him and was given a hodgepodge of random amateur agents (many being short incompetent women). Couldn’t have been because that part of the SS was actually loyal to Trump and would have protected him, right?
9) The SS didn’t ever meet with local law enforcement on the day leading up to the assassination attempt. They also didn’t have a direct line of communication to the SS.
10) Cheatle claimed that they didn’t put any agents on the roof because it was too dangerous at a four degree slope and eleven feet high (you could fall from that height and probably not break a leg), despite the fact that they put the counter snipers on rooftops with a fourteen degree slope and 23 feet high. But regardless you don’t put another sniper on the water tower with a zero degree slope?
11) The Secret Service positioned three snipers inside the neighboring building that Crooks shot from instead of the roofs, which I guess they were assigned to snipe a fricking fly.
12) No one at the SS noticed the drone he flew at least twice over the farm?
13) No one really saw Crooks with a five foot collapsible ladder on the premises?
14) No one saw Crooks carrying a rifle?
15) An officer spotted Crooks 105 minutes before he shot Trump noting him as suspicious.
16) He was directly spotted multiple times with a rangefinder a little over a hour before the shooting, yet the SS did nothing?
17) The SS spotted Crooks on the roof twenty minutes before the shooting and did nothing and allowed Trump on the stage a few minutes later?
18) Crooks is visible from the roof to the audience behind Trump, which are much lower than the SS snipers that certainly would have seen him from one of the roofs.
19) Two minutes and one second before the shooting, dozens of Trump supporters scream out “He’s on the roof!” and “He’s got a fricking gun!” No one thought to tell the SS this?
20) Crooks just happens to show up on the only day in the past two years that Trump had counter snipers and is then killed by them. What are the chances of that?
21) And all this happening two days before the RNC, which if successful means that Nikki Haley is now the Republican nominee. Nikki will continue the forever wars, probably go to war with Iran framing Crooks as radicalized by the Iranians, and she will not go after the like of Mayorkas, Garland, Blinken, Sullivan, the FBI, the CIA, Big Pharma, the health agencies, and several dozen others over what they’ve done the past couple of years. It all adds up.
And I’m supposed to believe that all of these things are errors or just coincidences? Sorry, not buying it. Crooks was almost certainly a government asset manipulated or triggered through MKUltra means, and the SS, CIA, FBI, DHS, and DOJ are in on it.
This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 10:46 am
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:04 am to theGarnetWay
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You really think former presidents keep the same level of SS protection as they did while they were in office?
I expect that the front runner for the Presidency gets a counter sniper team all the time. I know Obama did in 2008 because I directly dealt with them.
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Hell there was a time when Bernie used to complain about a lack of SS protection when he was a major candidate.
And that’s the point. What do you think would have happened if Bernie was going to win the nomination or the Presidency and rigging it wasn’t working? Exactly what happened on July 13th is what would have happened to him, probably successfully.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:11 am to OMLandshark
Also, couple that with CNN covering the only Trump rally in forever, and you have to ask yourself: “did people know that ‘something important’ was going to happen at this rally?”.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:12 am to OMLandshark
Does Jimmy Carter get counter snipers?
Former presidents and their family don't really need them.
Trump didn't need them until he decided to run again.
Former presidents and their family don't really need them.
Trump didn't need them until he decided to run again.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:12 am to TheRouxGuru
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TheRouxGuru
The fact that nobody gives a frick about this anymore is kind of concerning
everyone is okay with the fact that the government lies all day, every day. Even about something as serious as an assassination attempt on a former president
Yes….in most other countries there’d be revolts. Not in pansy-arse USA
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:14 am to LPTReb
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The counter snipers were there to make sure the shooter couldn’t talk afterward.
And they were there, because people in charge knew there would be an assassin……..hmmmmmmmmm
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:18 am to OMLandshark
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quote: The counter snipers were there to make sure the shooter couldn’t talk afterward.
No shite. Several idiots were hoping in my initial assassination thread that he was killed on site and I was at least initially the only one saying that he sure as frick better not be dead or else that will just have Oswald conspiracies forever, yet here we are.
We all know that Crooks was MKUltra or whatever the CIA rebranded it internally as. Nothing else makes sense. This post was edited on 8/3/24 at 1:06 am
Throw in the convenient story line of “Iranian assassination attempt” or, as of yesterday’s scoop “China was involved”, and you’ve got the perfect excuse for Lindsey Graham and the warhawks / military industrial machine, to start WW3
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:24 am to OMLandshark
Trump was to be executed.
Snipers were suddenly there to eliminate the shooter so he couldn't be interviewed. Notice how they weren't alerted to the shooter being there till AFTER shots fired. They would have acted earlier if alerted.
CNN was suddenly there so they'd have footage.
Bottom line....a 20 yr old kid didn't luckily get a gun thru normal security, get up on a roof, and assemble a high powered rifle, and get off 8 shots, hitting Trump once. All this after being flagged suspicious 1.5 hrs before shooting.
Lady behind Trump filming like she's unaffected by bullets flying, seems to be the key to a lot of connections.
Snipers were suddenly there to eliminate the shooter so he couldn't be interviewed. Notice how they weren't alerted to the shooter being there till AFTER shots fired. They would have acted earlier if alerted.
CNN was suddenly there so they'd have footage.
Bottom line....a 20 yr old kid didn't luckily get a gun thru normal security, get up on a roof, and assemble a high powered rifle, and get off 8 shots, hitting Trump once. All this after being flagged suspicious 1.5 hrs before shooting.
Lady behind Trump filming like she's unaffected by bullets flying, seems to be the key to a lot of connections.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:29 am to Tyga Woods
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Does Jimmy Carter get counter snipers? Former presidents and their family don't really need them. Trump didn't need them until he decided to run again.
It is actually planned via degrees of risk, and the importance of the potential target. Carter probably gets 2 agents stationed at his home, bc he’s in his 90’s and of no real imminent threat of danger, nor isn’t as important as a former POTUS running for a second (3rd) term.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:33 am to Juan Betanzos
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Also, couple that with CNN covering the only Trump rally in forever, and you have to ask yourself: “did people know that ‘something important’ was going to happen at this rally?”.
To be fair I think this one has actually been disproven.
Posted on 8/3/24 at 11:36 am to OMLandshark
Our government are lying sacks of shite.
Also,
Also,
quote:I would want to have a beer or two with you.
OMLandshark
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