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re: The OpenAI Chaos this weekend may have been about an AI breakthrough afterall

Posted on 11/23/23 at 9:12 am to
Posted by La Place Mike
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 9:12 am to
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AI will be life changing for humans, but most of the changes I foresee are bad.


You know who will not be affected by AI? The crazy fricker that lives in the woods off the grid.
Posted by McMahonnequin
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:14 am to
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Though only performing math on the level of grade-school students, acing such tests made researchers very optimistic about Q*’s future success, the source said.


What kind of computers are not capable or performing simple arithmetic? This sounds like nothing to me
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:18 am to
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Given vast computing resources
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only performing math on the level of grade-school students


BREAKTHROUGH!!



I thought the breakthrough would have been that it could finally draw fingers.
Posted by RougeDawg
Member since Jul 2016
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:19 am to
Man will be controlled by AI sexbots... so not much different than now.
Posted by EmmittLBrown
Member since Oct 2023
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:21 am to
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Oh wow it can solve for x and factor a polynomial.


That puts it already ahead of 95% of the last three generations.
Posted by Kujo
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 10:33 am to
AI can be the God we all wanted.

We always wanted someone to pay an immediate price when they broke the law, AI can easily be that “lightning bolt” from the sky that strikes down sinners where they stand.

Drones with tasers, facial recognition, AI control.

You just jaywalked? ZAP

You just littered? ZAP

It’s your second time today? ZAAAAAAAAAP
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:17 pm to
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You know who will not be affected by AI? The crazy fricker that lives in the woods off the grid.

Yeah because drones aren't a thing.
Posted by DarthRebel
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:30 pm to
Posted by Diseasefreeforall
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:32 pm to
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What kind of computers are not capable or performing simple arithmetic? This sounds like nothing to me


The worry is probably that it could learn really quick and potentially render cryptographic security useless (before we get usable quantum computers).

That would mean no info would be safe anymore and wreak havoc on the financial system.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:47 pm to
There's lots of speculation about what this breakthrough could possibly be, but based on the name and the rumored achievement, most believe that they've built an AI that is much better at reasoning its way through problems. The current LLMs rely very heavily on their training data and often fail when asked to step outside of that data. That's why they are so bad at math for instance, and examples of this one being good at math suggests a leap in ability.

Here's one of the better explanations of what this might be that I've seen so far:

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Your First AI @YourFirstAI

If Q* is what I think it is… this is absolutely BONKERS

Q-learning has existed for decades already. It’s just a basic reinforcement learning algorithm. A* is also fairly old- it’s a heuristic-based path finding algorithm.

In typical engineering fashion, they may have found an intersection of the 2 and named it Q*. This is total speculation, but if this is a “breakthrough” that means OAI built an algorithm that can feed a highly efficient heuristic into Q-learning. That is MASSIVE.

I’ll save the boring details- what does this mean in real terms?

Learning is a long path: a machine must accomplish many small steps to achieve a larger task, and if those steps are not pre-determined, the machine will try many combinations of steps to achieve a goal. Reinforcement learning will “reinforce” the optimal steps to bring a machine closer to its goal. Think of a child trying to walk- he may fall over many times as he tries to find his balance.

A heuristic is a measurement that a machine uses to assess success. As you change and improve a heuristic, a machine will have a better assessment of success.

What Q* might have done is bridged a big gap between Q-learning and pre-determined heuristics. This could be revolutionary, as it could give a machine “future sight” into the optimal next step, saving it a lot of effort. This means that machines can stop pursuing suboptimal solutions, and only optimal ones. All the “failure” trials that machines used to have (eg. trying to walk but falling) will just be put into the effort of “success” trials. OpenAI might have found a way to navigate complex problems without running into typical obstacles.

There is so much good research out there. If you’re interested in learning this, Q-learning and A* are both highly documented and well-researched, and a component of most university-level CS curriculums.

In the last few years, research teams have been trying to bridge the two using hyper-heuristics, you can Google those as well. Good luck as this is a deep rabbit hole.
Posted by HoustonGumbeauxGuy
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:52 pm to
AGI won’t stop or prevent the 100% off sales going on in California retail
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:54 pm to
quote:

There's lots of speculation about what this breakthrough could possibly be, but based on the name and the rumored achievement, most believe that they've built an AI that is much better at reasoning its way through problems. The current LLMs rely very heavily on their training data and often fail when asked to step outside of that data. That's why they are so bad at math for instance, and examples of this one being good at math suggests a leap in ability.

Here's one of the better explanations of what this might be that I've seen so far:



Verge is saying it's s big nothing. None of the drama had anything to do with a breakthrough.
Posted by When in Rome
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 12:54 pm to
Can you link that post?
Posted by AUbagman
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:06 pm to
If we're being honest, we all know we should abandon the Internet and any smart devices. But alas, we're all addicted.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:08 pm to
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Can you link that post?


LINK
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 1:12 pm to
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Can you link that post?


Brian Rommele
Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
14323 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 2:43 pm to
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I’m teaming up with AI if they ask. Humanity had its shot


Logical AI will be based af. No DEI bullshite. I’m team AI.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 11/23/23 at 2:51 pm to
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several staff researchers wrote a letter to the board of directors
bunch of nerds wanting to feel important and heard


Act like you're paying attention to their feelings, stroke their fragile little ego, and tell their skinny jean arse to get back to work and that next time you want their opinion then you'll ask for it
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62437 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 2:55 pm to
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What kind of computers are not capable or performing simple arithmetic? This sounds like nothing to me


This isn’t a “computer”. This is a program, only unlike most other programs where you build the logic of things in like “If This Then That”, these AI programs are designed to learn like humans. The consume large amounts of data and store patterns so it is very good at predicting things like “if someone asks A, the answer that they should get is B”. That’s how the visual models work too where you tell it to draw something and it does.

Back to the math. These models are built on pattern recognition so if something isn’t in its data set it becomes a lot worse at predicting the answer. This alleged break through is believed to help the program reason its way to an answer rather than relying so heavily on pattern recognition.
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
899 posts
Posted on 11/23/23 at 3:05 pm to
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Verge is saying it's s big nothing. None of the drama had anything to do with a breakthrough.


Once Microsoft got involved, it became apparent that it was just corporate politics.

Also, the open AI guys have said that these models are only as good as their data - garbage in, garbage out, just like every computer program since the beginning of computing.

Doesn't mean they aren't useful; I use ChatGPT every day at work, but it's a search engine on steroids, where "prompt engineering" replaced search engine optimization.
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