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The NYT and WAPO both have published fairly explosive UFO stories this week
Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:30 pm
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Namely, about govt efforts to suppress pilot encounters.
Usually stories like this are leaked to get ahead of some big expose
I wonder if disclosure is coming
This should be getting a lot more press.
As journalist Michael Tracey said today:
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Namely, about govt efforts to suppress pilot encounters.
Usually stories like this are leaked to get ahead of some big expose
I wonder if disclosure is coming
This should be getting a lot more press.
As journalist Michael Tracey said today:
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I like how the New York Times just revealed explosive evidence of UFO sightings by the military and everyone cared for about 5 minutes, before moving on to the next piping hot controversy over a Trump tweet
Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:32 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This on top of Trump declassifying FBI files. What they hiding?
Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
According to former Pentagon officials and documents previously seen by The Post, program funding, which totaled at least $22?million, was suspended in 2012.
About 1/10 the cost of a (1) F18 superhornet.
About 1/10 the cost of a (1) F18 superhornet.
Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Anyone who has any willingness to explore this with an open mind knows at this point that we are being visited by craft not of our world repeatedly and all over the world.
Not arguing they are actually being piloted by sentient beings, but if they are drones they didn’t just appear.
First hand testimony from reliable military and government sources.
Repeated video evidence from commercial and military sources.
Short of an alien setting down on the mall and walking to the White House I’m not sure what people expect at this point.
Not arguing they are actually being piloted by sentient beings, but if they are drones they didn’t just appear.
First hand testimony from reliable military and government sources.
Repeated video evidence from commercial and military sources.
Short of an alien setting down on the mall and walking to the White House I’m not sure what people expect at this point.
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:52 pm to ExtraGravy
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Harry Reid had a billionaire constituent who was into this UFO garbage. When Harry was on his way out of office he pushed the issue, embarrassingly, asking for funding for it and so forth.
I suspect if you start digging around, you'll sniff out how money led to these stupid stories being run.
Embarassing.
Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:56 pm to TRUERockyTop
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 1:58 pm to ExtraGravy
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:03 pm to ExtraGravy
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Harry Reid had a billionaire constituent who was into this UFO garbage. When Harry was on his way out of office he pushed the issue, embarrassingly, asking for funding for it and so forth. I suspect if you start digging around, you'll sniff out how money led to these stupid stories being run.
You should read the articles before dismissing things offhand. Are the people we trust to pilot expensive aircraft and drop munitions be given a pass in judgement for reporting this garbage?
I have a thread on PT that breaks down the 2017 NY Times article (Nimitz encounter) up to the present. Bigelo does factor in, but he has pursued this for quite a while (largely with private money and his own).
The thing is, if you read the literature that these folks are putting out you get into very broad territory including:
Studying consciousness/“reality”
Quantum mechanics
Directed panspermia
Gnosticism
Ancient aliens/ “gods”
Perhaps the single most important event in humanity may be getting ready to take place, and very few people are aware to care (too distracted by the modern control systems...)
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:10 pm to tide06
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Repeated video evidence from commercial and military sources.
And always in stunningly clear 120p HD!
Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:28 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:37 pm to ExtraGravy
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I'm sorry I find all that pretty hard to take seriously. I don't mean to be rude but that all sounds just silly.
Ignorance and humor are common coping mechanism for combatting cognitive dissonance
It is hard to debate someone who starts from a perspective of “this is too silly for me to consider”
Again, you have major mainstream outlets releasing articles you are dismissing offhand
One who believes everything they hear and one who dismisses everything they hear are guilty of the same ignorance: mindlessness...
Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:41 pm to ExtraGravy
Light reading material:
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https://bdigital.ufp.pt/bitstream/10284/781/1/223-239Cons-Ciencias%2002-8.pdf
Warning: PDF link
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https://bdigital.ufp.pt/bitstream/10284/781/1/223-239Cons-Ciencias%2002-8.pdf
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Incommensurability, Orthodoxy and the Physics of High Strangeness: A 6-layer Model for Anomalous Phenomena
Jacques F. Vallee and Eric W. Davis *
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The Challenge of High Strangeness
The rational study of reported cases of Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP), including religious apparitions such as the so-called “miracles of Fatima” and other Marial events is currently at an impasse. This situation has as much to do with the incomplete state of our models of physical reality as it does with the complexity of the data. A primary objection to the reality of UAP events among scientists is that witnesses consistently report objects whose seemingly absurd behavior “cannot possibly” be related to actual phenomena, even under extreme conditions. In that respect the similarity is striking between contemporary events reported as UFO close encounters and the more traditional observations of entities described as “angels,” elves and fairies, or deities. Skeptics insist that superior beings, celestial ambas- sadors or intelligent extraterrestrial (ETI) visitors simply would not perpetrate such antics as are reported in the literature. This argument can be criticized as an anthropocentric, self-selected observation resulting from our own limited viewpoint as 21st century Homo Sapiens trying to draw conclusions about the nature of the universe. Nonetheless, the high strangeness of many reports and the absurdity attending religious miracles must be acknowledged.
Advocates of UAP reality, on the other hand, generally claim that the Extra-Terrestrial Hypothesis (ETH) centered on interstellar travelers from extrasolar systems visiting the Earth remains the most likely explanation for the objects and the entities associated with them. Accordingly, they would re-interpret Biblical stories and religious apparitions in the framework of visits from space aliens. This argument, too, can be challenged on the basis of the witnesses’ own testimony: Ufologists have consistently ignored or minimized reports of seemingly absurd behaviors that contradict the ETH, by selectively extracting data that best fits their agenda or version of the theory. Thus the ETH, just like the skeptical argument, is based on anthro- pocentric self-selection (Vallee, 1990). Here we are witnessing an interesting overlap between the SETI and UAP paradigms: each excludes consideration of the other when laying claim to the legitimate search for and contact with potential non-human intelligence.
In the view of the authors, current hypotheses are not strange enough to explain the facts of the phenomenon, and the debate suffers from a lack of scientific information. Indeed, from the viewpoint of modern physics, our Cosmic Neighborhood could encompass other (parallel) universes, extra spatial dimensions and other time-like dimensions beyond the common 4-dimensional spacetime we recognize, and such aspects could lead to rational explanations for apparently “incomprehensible” behaviors on the part of entities emerging into our perceived continuum. As it attempts to reconcile theory with observed properties of elementary particles and with discoveries at the frontiers of cosmology, modern physics suggests that mankind has not yet discovered all of the universe’s facets, and we must propose new theories and experiments in order to explore these undis- covered facets. This is why continuing study of reported anomalous events is important: It may provide us with an existence theorem for new models of physical reality.
Much of the recent progress in cosmological concepts is directly appli- cable to the problem: Traversable wormholes (3-dimensional hypersurface tunnels) have now been derived from Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity (Morris and Thorne, 1988; Visser, 1995). In particular, it has been shown that Einstein’s General Theory of Relativity does not in any way constrain spacetime topology, which allows for wormholes to provide traversable connections between regions within two separate universes or between remote regions and/or times within the same universe. Mathematically it can also be shown that higher-dimensional wormholes can provide hypersurface connections between multidimensional spaces (Rucker, 1984; Kaku, 1995). Recent quantum gravity programs have explored this property in superstring theory, along with proposals to theoretically and experimentally examine macroscopic-scale extra-dimensional spaces (Schwarzschild, 2000). Thus it is now widely acknowledged that the nature of our universe is far more complex than observations based on anthropocentric self-selection portend. In this respect, ufologists and SETI researchers appear to be fighting a rear- -guard battle. Both suffer from identical limitations in the worldview they bring to their own domains, and to their antagonism.
Anthropocentric Bias in the SETI and UAP Paradigms
Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:44 pm to tide06
Most of the recent UFO’s are “our” own Space Force.
Combining intel from crafts we’ve shot down since the 40’s and the tech discovered in Antartica we’ve made a ton of improvements.
Most of the time, they are refracting light around them and appear as part of the cloud deck.
If conditions are right and they have stealth mode off, for whatever reason (probably to conserve power or possibly for a controlled, slow exposure to the masses) they are showing up on less potato phones and more high quality video.
Get used to it.
Our guys are scrambling like hell to stop the current off world alien invasion.

Combining intel from crafts we’ve shot down since the 40’s and the tech discovered in Antartica we’ve made a ton of improvements.
Most of the time, they are refracting light around them and appear as part of the cloud deck.
If conditions are right and they have stealth mode off, for whatever reason (probably to conserve power or possibly for a controlled, slow exposure to the masses) they are showing up on less potato phones and more high quality video.
Get used to it.
Our guys are scrambling like hell to stop the current off world alien invasion.
Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:47 pm to ThinePreparedAni
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Nimitz encounter
Is this the same time-traveling encounter the Nimitz had in the Final Countdown?
Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:49 pm to ExtraGravy
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I'm sorry I find all that pretty hard to take seriously. I don't mean to be rude but that all sounds just silly.
Where does bigfoot fit into this - is he one of the spacecraft pilots?
Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:50 pm to ExtraGravy
https://amp.denofgeek.com/us/culture/280755/the-x-files-revealed-unidentified-history?__twitter_impression=true
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1FsJKuZpjj8
YouTube vid of the former director of the Pentagon program above discussing how little we know about humanities history and being human...
The very fringe aspect of speculation (by the community following this) is that these objects are projections of consciousness/spirit vs interdimensional (they are here alongside us all the time) vs. advanced technology from beings who co-evolved with humans on Earth but now reside predominantly underground, under the oceans, and possible offworld to escape cyclical cataclysm that befalls the surface of the Earth. These folks would be perceived as “gods” as described by many disparate historical texts
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The X-Files Revealed: The Paranormal Roots of the Pentagon’s UFO Program New revelations shed light on secret government investigations in History's Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation.
FEATURE Alejandro Rojas
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At the end of 2017, The New York Times broke the story of a secretive Pentagon program with a budget of $22 million to investigate UFOs called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). The man who exposed the existence of the program, Luis Elizondo, was the former head of the project. Elizondo’s ongoing efforts to investigate the UFO mystery with his new employer, the To the Stars Academy (TTSA), will be featured in a History Channel series premiering May 31 called Unidentified: Inside America’s UFO Investigation.
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However, what The New York Times apparently did not know when they published their story is that the program went by a different name at its inception, and the scope of the program was much broader than just UFOs. In fact, according to a senior manager on the project, the investigations included “bizarre creatures, poltergeist activity, invisible entities, orbs of light, animal and human injuries and much more.” It is unknown whether Unidentified will cover the paranormal aspects of the program. Although Elizondo did work with this paranormal project, he only worked in the UFO division. By the time he was the head of the entire program, the UFO division was all that was left. The rest of the program had been shut down, and you will never guess why. It wasn’t because people inside the Department of Defense (DoD) thought the program was too weird, although some did. It was shut down because of demonic forces.
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Don’t worry, demons didn't attack the Pentagon, but apparently, some people inside the government were afraid the potentially paranormal incidents being investigated could be demonic, especially scary occurrences taking place at a ranch in Utah, and they wanted no part of it. They didn’t want the government messing with demons either, so they lobbied for the program to be ended and it was.
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The family, using the pseudonym Gorman, said they had several terrifying experiences. Among them was the sighting of a giant wolf-like creature that attacked cattle, could withstand multiple point-blank gunshots and seemed to disappear into thin air. The incident that caused them to leave for good, however, was when their beloved dogs chased glowing orbs of light into the forest at night never to be seen again.
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The NIDS investigators had their share of experiences as well. As detailed in Knapp and Kelleher’s book, the strangest occurred in the middle of the night while two researchers were observing the ranch from the edge of a bluff. As they were packing up to leave at around 2:30 am, one of them noticed a light in the forest below. At first, they thought it might be a reflection. However, as they watched, the light began to grow. Once it became a couple of feet wide, they say it looked like a tunnel opening up, and they saw a creature within. It was large and black with no face. It crawled out of the light and into the dark forest. The light then began to disappear until it was gone
Kelleher said years ago he felt whatever was going on at the Skinwalker Ranch outsmarted them and anticipated their actions.
John Alexander, a retired Colonel in U.S. Army Intelligence who also spent time working at Los Alamos Laboratories and still does some work as a defense consultant, helped organize NIDS investigations. In a YouTube interview for OpenMinds.tv in 2013, he describes what they encountered at the ranch as a “precognitive sentient phenomena.”
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Due to the nature of the project, it was kept as quiet as possible. Few in Congress knew it existed. However, it didn’t take long for religious factions within the government to raise concerns. “They’re basically high-level people in different intelligence agencies who are fundamentalist Christians; who think that anything involving UFOs and the paranormal is satanic,” says Knapp. “Certain senior government officials thought our collection of facts on Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (UAP) was dangerous to their philosophical beliefs,” Elizondo wrote in a post on Medium. “They decided the data was a threat to their belief system.”
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https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1FsJKuZpjj8
YouTube vid of the former director of the Pentagon program above discussing how little we know about humanities history and being human...
The very fringe aspect of speculation (by the community following this) is that these objects are projections of consciousness/spirit vs interdimensional (they are here alongside us all the time) vs. advanced technology from beings who co-evolved with humans on Earth but now reside predominantly underground, under the oceans, and possible offworld to escape cyclical cataclysm that befalls the surface of the Earth. These folks would be perceived as “gods” as described by many disparate historical texts
This post was edited on 5/28/19 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
And here we go again!
I could hardly make out anything in that video except a somewhat "interesting" white blob or blip. And yet we live in a time when we can photograph almost anything with amazing clarity...WITH OUR FREAKING CELL PHONES.
In my mind there exist a good reason for UFO skepticism.
I could hardly make out anything in that video except a somewhat "interesting" white blob or blip. And yet we live in a time when we can photograph almost anything with amazing clarity...WITH OUR FREAKING CELL PHONES.
In my mind there exist a good reason for UFO skepticism.
Posted on 5/28/19 at 2:58 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Disclosure happened several years ago. This is for the masses.
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