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re: The National debt surpasses $38 trillion
Posted on 10/22/25 at 5:18 pm to fallguy_1978
Posted on 10/22/25 at 5:18 pm to fallguy_1978
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Most Western countries are going to default. They are demographic ticking time bombs.
The first Democrat Socialist in the white house will take retirement accounts.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 5:25 pm to HangmanPage1
quote:Wouldn't even have to be on the low.
What would happen if the government just printed out 38 trillion, didn’t tell anyone and sent out payment on all the bills lol. Say we owe China 10 trillion, we just send printed out money and said hey here you go on the low.
My question is, is the national debt real? Who do we owe the money to and why?
Or is it just a ploy that government uses to tighten its control over the population. Hey, we're deeper and deeper in debt, give us more of your money.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 5:50 pm to RLDSC FAN
Our useless fricking Congress hasn't passed an actual budget in three damn decades.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 5:51 pm to RLDSC FAN
Solution? Be short the dollar all day every day.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 5:59 pm to RLDSC FAN
It’s cool. Tariffs will save the day.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:04 pm to saderade
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And do what with the almost 70 million Americans on Medicare ?
Kill them? Then we come for the obese, criminals and welfare leeches. That will help with the housing shortages and employment opportunities for recent grads.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:05 pm to Figgy
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It’s cool. Tariffs will save the day.
Nah brah, the national debt is only transitory.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:13 pm to RLDSC FAN
Attended a very interesting round table of high level finance guys this week. 130 slide presentation covering all aspects of the equities market, fed debt, interest rates, trade, etc, and an equally interesting hour long exchange between attendees after. Some key points:
The Trump plan for addressing the debt is three-fold, but they're not going to broadcast it. Bear in mind that the group I was part of analyzing this is center-left, Trump voters in the room would have been a minority of around 30%. The plan:
- Inflation around 3% instead of the Fed's 2% target. This is why Trump is so hot to replace Cook, because that would give him a majority on the governor's board.
- GDP growth improvement. Some of this comes from lowered interest rates, some from tax breaks (climbing the Laffer curve then increases tax revenues), but much comes from re-shoring manufacturing because we effectively can tax further up the value chain. This is seen as an opportunistic moment to do this because of the dawn of real automation, where low cost robots (think Tesla Optimus or various flavors of AI) can work hand in hand with humans to lower labor costs. A $50/hr UAW guy working with three $5/hr robots in a cell looks pretty competitive globally for labor cost, then you eliminate logistics costs, etc.
- Increased tax revenues from tariffs, the resultant re-shored mfg, and reduced spending burdens through government efficiency improvements and kicking out illegals, who use a disproportionate amount of services.
Put all three together and the debt burden starts to moderate by the end of his term, and really starts to reduce by the middle of the next POTUS' term. You should also understand that debt/revenue projections on the Big Beautiful Bill deeply discount much if not all of this. Similar projections were made for his last tax cuts in his first term, yet we had new record tax revenues for two straight years until COVID - the Laffer curve was demonstrated.
The Trump plan for addressing the debt is three-fold, but they're not going to broadcast it. Bear in mind that the group I was part of analyzing this is center-left, Trump voters in the room would have been a minority of around 30%. The plan:
- Inflation around 3% instead of the Fed's 2% target. This is why Trump is so hot to replace Cook, because that would give him a majority on the governor's board.
- GDP growth improvement. Some of this comes from lowered interest rates, some from tax breaks (climbing the Laffer curve then increases tax revenues), but much comes from re-shoring manufacturing because we effectively can tax further up the value chain. This is seen as an opportunistic moment to do this because of the dawn of real automation, where low cost robots (think Tesla Optimus or various flavors of AI) can work hand in hand with humans to lower labor costs. A $50/hr UAW guy working with three $5/hr robots in a cell looks pretty competitive globally for labor cost, then you eliminate logistics costs, etc.
- Increased tax revenues from tariffs, the resultant re-shored mfg, and reduced spending burdens through government efficiency improvements and kicking out illegals, who use a disproportionate amount of services.
Put all three together and the debt burden starts to moderate by the end of his term, and really starts to reduce by the middle of the next POTUS' term. You should also understand that debt/revenue projections on the Big Beautiful Bill deeply discount much if not all of this. Similar projections were made for his last tax cuts in his first term, yet we had new record tax revenues for two straight years until COVID - the Laffer curve was demonstrated.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:22 pm to BraveCajun
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Nah brah, the national debt is only transitory.
I just can’t take any debt talk seriously with the number so large. There’s no fixing it without drastic changes that no one will want to accept and politicians are too chicken to even attempt. We were sold out decades ago. Cutting into the annual deficit is a start but it still grows the debt. What I find truly alarming is that the last trillion in debt accrued in two months. That’s criminal.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:48 pm to RLDSC FAN
Man I remember 2008-2016 all establisment Republicans seemed to care about was how fast the debt was climbing. They got silent about it 2016 to 2020 and then piped up again until 2024.
Neither party gives a shite about us. They both keep sinking us.
Neither party gives a shite about us. They both keep sinking us.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 6:49 pm
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:51 pm to TX Tiger
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My question is, is the national debt real? Who do we owe the money to and why?
That's a pretty easy Google.
Look up how the Gov't issues treasuries. Most of the debt is owed to actual domestic entities (a smaller portion are foreign entities).
The Gov't has to finance its insane spending through issuing said Treasuries.
If the Gov't one day can't or refuses to pay its interest obligations on those treasuries, shite will hit the fan that will make 2008 look like the roaring 20's.
This post was edited on 10/22/25 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:51 pm to Loup
The tariffs general an unbelievable amount of revenue and everyone hates trump for it. The American population just won’t stand for austerity.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:54 pm to RLDSC FAN
Why hasn’t Trump fixed it
Posted on 10/22/25 at 6:56 pm to RLDSC FAN
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The U.S. national debt surpassed another historic milestone as it topped $38 trillion for the first time
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the U.S. national debt reached $37 trillion for the first time in mid-August
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less than a year after the $36 trillion threshold was breached last December
I'm not a betting man, but I'd put money on it also being the first time when the U.S. exceeds $39 trillion.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:02 pm to shutterspeed
It might make some sense to get some bitcoin in case it catches on.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:07 pm to RLDSC FAN
The interest on it alone will continue to break records.
Currently doing a lot to cut waste.
Currently doing a lot to cut waste.
Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:08 pm to ClemsonKitten
Congress controls the purse strings, do people not understand this? They have to get spending under control
Posted on 10/22/25 at 7:08 pm to RLDSC FAN
Anyone ask Chat GPT How to fix this issue?
Bc. We have been voting 2x parties for the past 25 years and it doesnt seem like it has gotten any better.
Bc. We have been voting 2x parties for the past 25 years and it doesnt seem like it has gotten any better.
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