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re: The most misunderstood, and misapplied word in the English language is “repent”

Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:01 pm to
Posted by rattlebucket
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:01 pm to
Yes. Profound shift. Literally turn 180 degrees and go the other way

Keep running the race well MdT
Posted by Synoptic
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:12 pm to
The word repent does not come from Greek. It comes from a Latin word that means to regret or to be sorry. Do you mean that the word metanoia in the New Testament is most often translated to repentance?
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:17 pm to
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The word repent does not come from Greek. It comes from a Latin word that means to regret or to be sorry. Do you mean that the word metanoia in the New Testament is most often translated to repentance?


Metanoia is the Greek

The Latin word is paenitentia


We translated using the word repent, but the Greek meaning of Metanoia in scripture is what is important.



This post was edited on 5/9/25 at 9:20 pm
Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:18 pm to
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So, metanoia refers to a profound shift in one’s thinking or understanding.



quote:

to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life”,


Posted by Havoc
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:22 pm to
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You shouldn’t. That what got us to this place in the first place. You should look into it for yourself.

Well that’s a pretty good answer
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:24 pm to
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to turn from sin and dedicate oneself to the amendment of one's life”,


And yet that isn’t what a change of mind is. That’s an action, I can change my mind on something and still not do the other. I may, and it may be an effect from the change of mind, but it’s not critical to changing my mind on something.
Posted by Synoptic
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:27 pm to
Understood. “Repent” comes from the Latin word “paenitere” and not from Greek. They are different words and one does not come from the other. If your point is that the greek word in the New Testament has a different connotation/meaning than the English word often used to translate it, then I agree. But that doesn’t mean the word repent comes from a Greek word.
This post was edited on 5/10/25 at 4:52 pm
Posted by FlyDownTheField83
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:28 pm to
Here is another word you may want to ponder….

Pedantic-being excessively concerned with minor details

“Many of the essays are long, dense, and too pedantic to hold great appeal.”
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:31 pm to
quote:

Understood. “Repent” comes from the Latin word “paenitere” and not from Greek. They are different words and one does come from the other. If your point is that the greek word in the New Testament has a different connotation/meaning than the English word often used to translate it, then I agree. But that doesn’t mean the word repent comes from a Greek word.


It’s simply the English word we use, but the original text is what is what I’m focusing on and where the meaning has changed to a lot of people to the original intent of the word in scripture
Posted by dat yat
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:36 pm to
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refers to a profound shift in one’s thinking or understanding.

And if that shift in thinking is sincere, it will/should result in changed behavior. You will turn away from at least that sin if you truly repent.
Posted by Splackavellie
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by Mike da Tigah
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:38 pm to
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And if that shift in thinking is sincere, it will/should result in changed behavior. You will turn away from at least that sin if you truly repent.



If only God graded on a curve, but His nature is perfection, so now what?
Posted by pwejr88
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:42 pm to
I can’t find a Greek origin.. only Latin in its etymology.

quote:

Latin for “paenitere”
This Latin verb translates to "to regret" or "to feel sorry," and it is the source of the Old French "repentir" and thus, the English "repent".

Posted by Jay Are
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:43 pm to
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a complete bastardization of it’s original intended meaning in the Greek


Welcome to English
Posted by Shamoan
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:44 pm to
My understanding is that repent means, essentially, stop and make progress in the opposite direction. A full turn and distance from the other.
Posted by Jay Are
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:46 pm to
Also, the root is Latin. Didn't initially realize how retarded the thread was. I apologize for continuing and perpetuating it's existence.


I will now seek repentance for sins.
Posted by teke184
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Posted on 5/9/25 at 9:59 pm to
“When they said
Repent
Repent
I wonder what they meant” - Leonard Cohen
Posted by Mr. Misanthrope
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 1:27 am to
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“Go, and sin no more”

…It’s much more bodily than just a changing of the mind. The gospel ain’t your easy believism.


You’re right, the gospel of Jesus Christ is simple but not easy by any means.

From Oliver Stone’s Platoon -
Junior to Bunny-“Throw that yoke off. Simple - free your mind, your arse will follow.”

Pretty accurate. A radical change in the way you think about yourself, other people, life, how you perceive it, and react to it…will radically change your perspective, your beliefs, and your behavior.

So repenting rightly understood in the Christian context is a change in beliefs and behavior brought about by a radical change in thinking.

Consider this early example from St. Luke’s Acts of the Apostles .

quote:

Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?(Action follows metanoia )

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, (Action follows metanoia)
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized(Action follows metanoia) and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.
(Action follows metanoia)





Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 2:12 am to
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eta: i studied etymology and latin in college...


You are my hero, my spirit animal.
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Posted on 5/10/25 at 2:49 am to
TulaneLSU would have added some personal anecdotes and finished with a top ten list.
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