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re: The Lost Origins of Symbols and Icons

Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:09 pm to
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:09 pm to
It was the branding mark of French slaves.
Posted by BobABooey
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by CptRusty
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:54 pm to
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Seems I have struck a nerve with some of you.


no, what it seems like is you were trying to be a know-it-all prick and are now embarrassed of how absurd your assertion was shown to be, so you have resorted to deflecting with nonsense about "striking a nerve"

Posted by LSU2NO
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:57 pm to
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Well shite, I must be one of the people you were referring to that wear it and have no idea what it means.
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Just look up Code Noir.


Well, I must be missing something because I did not see The fleur-de-lis associated with Code Noir (which is an legal edict on laws governing slavery).


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To regulate relations between slaves and colonists, the Louisiana Code noir, or slave code, based largely on that compiled in 1685 for the French Caribbean colonies, was introduced in 1724. Its 55 articles regulated the status of slaves and free blacks, as well as relations between masters and slaves. Contrary to the edict of 1685, it prohibited, for example, marriage and sexual relations between persons of European and African ancestry, and detailed corporal punishments for cases of theft or escape. Although there were few mixed marriages in Louisiana, concubinage between whites and blacks developed, giving rise to a small population of mulâtres--persons of mixed European and African parentage.

As in the Caribbean, however, the Code noir was frequently subverted and contravened. With the passive complicity of local authorities and royal courts, planters put the code into effect only when it was convenient for them. They were obligated to instruct their slaves in the Catholic faith, to furnish them with food and clothing, and to allow them Sundays and holidays off. Planters were forbidden from mistreating their slaves. Certain planters, however, without interference by judicial authorities, did not hesitate to display extreme harshness toward their slaves. Nonetheless, some planters granted their slaves relative liberty of action. In these cases, slaves were frequently allowed to raise chickens or pigs, to cultivate small individual plots of land, and even occasionally to possess firearms.
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 1:16 pm
Posted by retired trucker
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 12:59 pm to
Peace Symbol = upside down , broken cross

it's right there for all to see, but how many really do?

hidden in plain sight...
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 1:01 pm
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:06 pm to
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htownjeep


So, we have documented evidence of French royalty using the fleu-de-lis in 12th century France, but you're asserting that its original meaning had to do with slavery in the Americas. You just might be a dumbass.
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Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:25 pm to
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but you're asserting that its original meaning had to do with slavery in the Americas. You just might be a dumbass.
Never once did I do that. There sure are a lot of uptight pussies in this place.

Some of the other symbols and icons mentioned in this thread aren't "the original meaning", but a symbol at a certain period for sure. Just as French royalty weren't the first to use it either. Was used waaaaay before your 12th century claim.
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:29 pm to
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you were trying to be a know-it-all prick
Didn't mean to come off that way. Not my intention.
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are now embarrassed
Not in the least.
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absurd your assertion was shown to be
Not absurd at all. It is a known, documented fact.
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so you have resorted to deflecting with nonsense about "striking a nerve"
I obviously have. Instead of anyone going "wow, I didn't know that" or "yeah, that is well known", or something like that, all I'm seeing is name calling and childish reactions (but for one poster previously).
Posted by CaptainsWafer
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:48 pm to
You could've just said "it was used by the French to mark their slaves" but apparently that was too difficult.

ETA if you would have, you would have gotten the "I didn't know that, wow" reactions.
This post was edited on 2/12/16 at 1:50 pm
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:52 pm to
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You guys got any other ones?




I'm sure they're already said, but:

Roll up the window
Hang up the phone
flip through the channels
dial a number
write a note
mail a letter
Posted by Mo Jeaux
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:54 pm to
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quote:
you were trying to be a know-it-all prick
Didn't mean to come off that way. Not my intention.


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so you have resorted to deflecting with nonsense about "striking a nerve"
I obviously have. Instead of anyone going "wow, I didn't know that" or "yeah, that is well known", or something like that, all I'm seeing is name calling and childish reactions (but for one poster previously).



Not your intention, so you decide to do it again.

Your initial statement implied that no one knew "what it used to stand for" (which was a hell of an assumption, but whatever). When it was pointed out that there were hundreds of years of usage of the symbol prior to your example (which, let's be honest, unlike the swastika, the use of the fluer-de-lis as a "slave symbol" was hardly ever extremely prevalent to the extent that it could usurp the previous usages), you resort to name calling.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 1:56 pm to
i can't believe no one said roll up the window or hang up the phone.

Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:00 pm to
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Your initial statement implied that no one knew "what it used to stand for"
You really have a reading comprehension problem. I never said "no one" knew. I said "certain people".
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Not your intention, so you decide to do it again.
I seriously didn't mean to do that. It was something my La. History teacher taught my class a long time ago in middle school. It was just a fact that always stuck with me. Sorry.
Posted by htownjeep
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:00 pm to
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You could've just said "it was used by the French to mark their slaves" but apparently that was too difficult.

ETA if you would have, you would have gotten the "I didn't know that, wow" reactions.
Point taken.
Posted by CoachChappy
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:07 pm to
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i can't believe no one said roll up the window or hang up the phone.

Because those would be phrases not symbols. The OP asked for symbols. (not trying to be a dick just clarifying.)
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:09 pm to
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mail a letter


wait...explain?
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 2:14 pm to
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Because those would be phrases not symbols. The OP asked for symbols. (not trying to be a dick just clarifying.)



You're right. I'll go with this symbol:

Posted by soccerfüt
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 4:17 pm to
Near & Dear to our hearts?

Posted by GarmischTiger
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 4:54 pm to


Interesting historical coincidence: the 45th captured Hitlers bunker in Berlin. They have lots of his private possessions in their museum in OKC.
Posted by crazycubes
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Posted on 2/12/16 at 5:16 pm to
I always thought that it came from the French Colonial Flag (the flag that France flied in its colonies like Louisiana)

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