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re: The idea anyone is entitled to a "livable wage" is Ludacris
Posted on 4/3/24 at 5:15 am to Thracken13
Posted on 4/3/24 at 5:15 am to Thracken13
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is easy to sit behind a keyboard and type shite like this. it is not that black and white. if a person has to work 2 jobs to provide for their family, how are they supposed to make the time to learn a new skill?
So you suggest we change systems that affect every citizen and impact the cost of living for everyone to build yet another safety net for the poor? We’ve been doing this for 60 years…why hasn’t it worked yet?
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Posted on 4/3/24 at 5:43 am to stuckintexas
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The more employees want, the higher it drives the company cost up. I'm already having to keep up with rising costs of insurance, shop leases, utilities, legal/bookkeeping/CPA services, material costs. Which means I have to charge clients more. Charging more means we close less. It is very difficult to justify getting paid more for an inferior product. You want more? Work for it.
It’s amazing that otherwise smart people don’t understand how this works. The term “living wage” itself made up BS straight out of the socialist handbook used to get votes for people that want handouts.
So, if I have 10 employees doing a job that requires no experience, I’m supposed to base their pay on some arbitrary number that we feel good about? Or what it would cost for them to live comfortably? One is 26 with 3 kids … and one is 17 living with parents…should they make the same? If I have to pay people more than a job is worth then where do you think I get that cost back?
I guarantee you these same people that opine about how we need a living wage, health insurance, benefits for the poor, unions to protect gains evil CEOs, more regulations and green energy mandates, etc. also complain about how everything costs so much now and can’t make the connection.
Just because something sounds good and makes you feel virtuous doesn’t mean it’s a good idea.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 5:51 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 6:26 am to Thracken13
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person has to work 2 jobs to provide for their family, how are they supposed to make the time to learn a new skill?
Has an iPhone pro max 15, smokes a carton a week, and always has cold beer.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 6:51 am to Bonkers119
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It’s a job just like any other job.
Exactly, it’s a job not a career. Fast Food isn’t something you get into thinking it’s going to support you and your family for the rest of your life. Unless you plan on advancing to management positions.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 6:51 am to sidewalkside
The US has a minimal required wage. Problem is it requires a minimal amount of effort. We aren't willing to do that.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:43 am to dcrews
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"work harder" isn't the solution. People are already doing that
Meanwhile "quiet quitting" is a massive trend and Work Form Home is another massive trend...yeah people are working much harder these days
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:46 am to sidewalkside
Livable wage is why you work. Don't expect the employee to be on time, how can a business expect somebody to be on time without paying a livable wage?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:48 am to Meaux Bettah
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Livable wage is why you work.
Not if you have no skills. You work to learn skills. Its a training wage.
Solution: Learn skills. You dont have to ever worry about minimum wage.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
What skills is anyone learning while working the register at a fast food place?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:54 am to sidewalkside
I don't disagree with this thread, but my only problem with it and similar threads/takes is everyone acting like a yuge % of the population isn't essentially unable to provide for themselves in this modern economy (and that's only just getting started).
Posted on 4/3/24 at 7:59 am to GreatLakesTiger24
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everyone acting like a yuge % of the population isn't essentially unable to provide for themselves in this modern economy (and that's only just getting started).
Yeah, their whole argument is "it's a starter job, not a forever job".
But the job is a forever job, if 1 person leaves someone else will be hired to fill it. It's a job that will always have someone filling it that we'll be supporting with taxpayer funds because they can't sustain themselves with the money earned at it.
A temp job is a job that goes away after a turnaround or something
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 8:05 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:07 am to Corinthians420
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It's a job that will always have someone filling it that we'll be supporting with taxpayer funds because they can't sustain themselves with the money earned at it.
At this point its going to start being cheaper to put these people on straight welfare than going through the charade that adults spend 8 hours a day flipping burgers and deserve 60k.
Wages above efficiency will result in automation and loss of jobs. If thats the goal, you progressives have the right idea, then you can put all low achievers on welfare.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:09 am to Corinthians420
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What skills is anyone learning while working the register at a fast food place?
Customer service, people skills.
Should be shift manager in a month if they show up on time, sober. Thats about how high this bar is.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:10 am to sidewalkside
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Work Form Home is another massive trend...yeah people are working much harder these days
Is sitting in the car for 2 hours a day in a commute supposed to be indicative of "working hard"?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:11 am to RogerTheShrubber
Automation is coming for those making 150k a year just as much as those make $20 an hour.
Minimum wage in Louisiana was $7 an hour when Walmart introduced self checkout.
Minimum wage in Louisiana was $7 an hour when Walmart introduced self checkout.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:11 am to GetCocky11
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Is sitting in the car for 2 hours a day in a commute supposed to be indicative of "working hard"?
In some regard. It shows you have some dedication to your work.
But between WFH and commuting two hours, is a hell of a lot of territtory, no?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:12 am to GetCocky11
quote:no one asked you to live an hour away from your job
Is sitting in the car for 2 hours a day in a commute supposed to be indicative of "working hard"?
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:15 am to Corinthians420
quote:there's a large and rapidly expanding portion of the population that will be working these jobs from the time they are teenagers until they die. they are not capable of anything better.
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everyone acting like a yuge % of the population isn't essentially unable to provide for themselves in this modern economy (and that's only just getting started).
Yeah, their whole argument is "it's a starter job, not a forever job".
But the job is a forever job, if 1 person leaves someone else will be hired to fill it. It's a job that will always have someone filling it that we'll be supporting with taxpayer funds because they can't sustain themselves with the money earned at it.
everyone here knows this but many like to pretend otherwise.
what should we do with these people/jobs? I have no idea.
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:20 am to Corinthians420
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Minimum wage in Louisiana was $7 an hour when Walmart introduced self checkout.
Its cheap tech. Burger machines are a bit more complex.
The situation is about to become 10x more complex with the flooding of the country with "refugees" most of whom hafe little education or skill.
The economy has evolved beyond needing humans for simple inputs. Humans will either need to evolve or be subsidized.
So, with this in mind what do you think is about to occur? Continually bumping the min wage will be a floor, and these folks will be trapped underneath.
This post was edited on 4/3/24 at 8:21 am
Posted on 4/3/24 at 8:22 am to sidewalkside
One of the things I hear from younger people moving out and see posted on here is "unless you live in the ghetto" you can't make it in today's world with how the pay is after graduating college. Well, in the early 90s when vast majority of my friends and I moved out we lived in shitty neighborhoods or apartments. It seems young people want to skip that step now. There are houses for rent for $1,000 a month in my area, Shreveport. We were renting houses 30 years ago for $500 a month and splitting it up 3 ways making $4 an hour. Sure, it's ghetto, but they'll be fine.
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