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re: The Greatest what-if in American history: Sherman vs Stonewall
Posted on 7/5/18 at 9:00 am to ChewyDante
Posted on 7/5/18 at 9:00 am to ChewyDante
tactical level, jackson
operational/strategic level, sherman
forget what historian made the comment about sherman discussing the fact that he wasn't the greatest tactician, but he managed the operational and strategic levels so he didn't have to worry about tactics...
operational/strategic level, sherman
forget what historian made the comment about sherman discussing the fact that he wasn't the greatest tactician, but he managed the operational and strategic levels so he didn't have to worry about tactics...
Posted on 7/5/18 at 9:20 am to vl100butch
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forget what historian made the comment about sherman discussing the fact that he wasn't the greatest tactician, but he managed the operational and strategic levels so he didn't have to worry about tactics...
I think that was indicative of the Confederate army in general. The South didn't have the #'s, supplies the Union army did, so they relied on tactics to succeed...until Gettysburg.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 9:27 am to BugAC
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I love the internet badasses that think that simply "picking a winner" of 2 people they've never met, nor have any clue of their war tactics, makes them somehow, tough. Grow up pussy. No one cares about your e-cred.
melt bitch.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 9:39 am to PhilipMarlowe
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melt bitch.
How is that melting?
1) you need to come up with an original term. Regressives are the only ones that can melt. You would know this.
2) I'm simply pointing out that you thinking you are tough on an internet message board by tough talking dead people is rather cowardly, don't ya think?
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:12 am to BugAC
The whole purpose of attacking Gettysburg was to get supplies. There was a rail depot and a boot factory there. Lee’s army needed shoes. Also, had they won the battle, it would have cleared the way to march on D.C. and flank the city’s primary defenses. The issue is that Lee did not send his men to reinforce his hold on the city by taking the heights. the first day. He wasn’t counting on staying there or fighting a huge battle there. This was supposed to be a hit and run robbery to get supplies and move on. That mistake cost Lee the war.
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 10:14 am
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:49 am to kingbob
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The whole purpose of attacking Gettysburg was to get supplies
Wrong.
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There was a rail depot and a boot factory there
Wrong
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This was supposed to be a hit and run robbery to get supplies and move on.
Strike 3.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 10:55 am to kingbob
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The issue is that Lee did not send his men to reinforce his hold on the city by taking the heights. the first day
Lee knew the importance of the hill, he told one of his generals to take the Hill, the general didn’t.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:02 am to TigerFanInSouthland
I'm not even sure General Lee was there the very first day.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:11 am to LCA131
I have no clue where the shoe story started but it's one of those things 5th grade social studies teachers say.
They also like to say it was an accidental meeting of the armies but that's wrong too.
In truth the Confederates were under orders by Lee to be as little damaging to the populace as they scrounged supplies. They'd pay even, with Confederate coin. And a few towns were given the choice of supplies or money under the threat of destruction even with Lee's orders otherwise.
And both sides knew the other was there. I don't think the Confederates knew meade replaced Hooker. But the general movements were discussed in both camps of where to give battle. Iirc correctly Longstreet wanted to wait for the Union to come upon a prepared position 2 days or so to the west. But that's war.
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The Shoe Factory® of Gettysburg
Myth: The Battle of Gettysburg was fought over a shipment of shoes housed at the Gettysburg Shoe Factory.
Fact: Not only was there not a shoe factory in Gettysburg in 1863, but the Army of Northern Virginia and the Army of the Potomac did not engage in three days of battle to gain control of a mythical shipment of shoes—even though both sides were in need of them, especially the Confederates. Fannie Buehler, wife of Gettysburg postmaster described Confederate General John Gordon's infantry as it marched into town. They were "dirty, …hatless, shoeless, and footsore." Additionally, when Confederate General Jubal Early marched his troops into the town for the first time on June 26 (on his way to Hanover Junction and York), he ordered the town to hand over 1,000 pairs of shoes and 500 hats, or as an alternative $10,000 cash. Gettysburg authorities knew they couldn't fill Early's bill and instead offered to open their stores to him. Early's inspection of the town's shops yielded him little in way of supplies (especially shoes) except for a hefty supply of horseshoes and nails. Source: Coddington, Edwin The Gettysburg Campaign: A Study in Command, 1968 Charles Schribner Sons.
They also like to say it was an accidental meeting of the armies but that's wrong too.
In truth the Confederates were under orders by Lee to be as little damaging to the populace as they scrounged supplies. They'd pay even, with Confederate coin. And a few towns were given the choice of supplies or money under the threat of destruction even with Lee's orders otherwise.
And both sides knew the other was there. I don't think the Confederates knew meade replaced Hooker. But the general movements were discussed in both camps of where to give battle. Iirc correctly Longstreet wanted to wait for the Union to come upon a prepared position 2 days or so to the west. But that's war.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:12 am to 19
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Condolences! The bums lost!
I hope that you live long enough to witness what the Globalist Left is going to do to your beloved USA!
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:18 am to magildachunks
Between this and your TLJ thread have you gotten enough attention the last couple of days? Feeling better? Maybe go start a Calling Baton Rouge sucks thread on the Rant.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 11:53 am to Sun God
Yes, it is another one of those "Attention Whoring Threads" to be sure.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:29 pm to Sticky37
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At the time of his death Jackson was the most well known military commander in the world. In. The. World. His name was all over Europe.
I would argue Robert E. Lee's name was more widely known. Jackson was the hero of the hour during the Valley campaign, but it was Lee's performance on the Virginia peninsula and the Second Manassas campaign that eclipsed Jackson's star.
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You talking about the Seven Days battle in which Jackson was so sick with fever that he was hallucinating? I think he gets a pass for that one.
No, I am talking about the Seven Days battle where Jackson let himself get worn down with sleep deprivation. There is no evidence he was sick with fever and even less evidence that he was hallucinating.
There's a reason why Longstreet ended up senior to Jackson when the promotions were submitted to Richmond after the Seven Days Campaign.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:34 pm to geauxbrown
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When Lee was appointed to command the Army of Northern Virginia, many northern military leaders were stunned that Davis had not picked Jackson.
I don't think this is entirely accurate.
For one, Jackson was sent to the Shenandoah Valley on Lee's orders. Secondly, when Lee took command of the Army of Northern Virginia, Jackson was in the middle of his Valley Campaign and thus wasn't a viable option for the command position. Jackson wouldn't have even been a choice for the command anyway as Lee was a full general and Stonewall Jackson was a recently promoted major general.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 12:42 pm to magildachunks
Considering Sherman excelled in burning down civilian infrastructure and creating chaos, with occasionally skirmishing with tattered southern resistance, and Jackson was a strategic giant and daunting opposition for any Union general to tangle with, I’m going with Jackson on the field of battle. If it were Sherman against the ladies auxiliary of Atlanta. I’d pick Sherman.
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:51 pm to Bullfrog
Thought you meant Jackson. Sorry
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:52 pm to magildachunks
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The Greatest what-if in American history
what if Randy Livingston doesn't get injured?
Posted on 7/5/18 at 1:52 pm to ChewyDante
“Give them the bayonet.”
This post was edited on 7/5/18 at 1:53 pm
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