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re: The Future of the American Suburbs

Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:49 am to
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:49 am to
I always thought the end of cheap energy would kill the big box stores, but I guess it will get Amazon instead. Suburbia will die, but not for the reasons you think.



James Kunstler at Clusterfrick Nation has been making a career writing about this.
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This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 9:50 am
Posted by autodd03
Clown world
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:51 am to
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Seems urban blight will soon be exported to the ' burbs.


That's already happened in Metro Atlanta (South DeKalb, South Cobb, western Gwinnett, Clayton County).



City is expensive and suburbs are trending down. I agree. Where should someone go to raise a family inexpensively near Atlanta?
Posted by UGATiger26
Jacksonville, FL
Member since Dec 2009
9128 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:52 am to
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The Future of the American Suburbs




Posted by Brian Wilson
Member since Mar 2012
2397 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:54 am to
Back-flipping robots exist now. None of this matters. We are all doomed.
Posted by atxfan
Member since Jul 2004
4244 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 9:54 am to
I don't think much will change. I always hoped we'd have flying cars by 2037 but my guess is that everything will look pretty damn similar to what we see today.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
117289 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:00 am to
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As a real estate novelist


GODDAMNIT FONZ!!!!
This post was edited on 11/17/17 at 10:02 am
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61810 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:02 am to
I'm pretty sure violent crime is way down these days compared to say 20 years ago
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Waltzing Between the Raindrops
Member since Oct 2007
24901 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:13 am to
Newnan?
Posted by airfernando
Member since Oct 2015
15248 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:17 am to
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As a real estate novelist,
You're obvious young and naive
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. In twenty years, every strip mall will be gone, including grocery stores.
The last 100 years is littered with similar projections that never came to fruition. There will be fewer, but there will still be many.
Posted by KiwiHead
Auckland, NZ
Member since Jul 2014
38567 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:19 am to
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Any thoughts?


I'm thinking that major American cities will start looking like European cities at least as you get closer to the city centers. Meaning, that the desirable places will be in the established areas like in NOLA everything west of the Industrial Canal with the slums and lower income types in the outer ring of suburbs like a New Orleans East and Kenner...it's already happening.
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
45428 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:49 am to
A lot of communities are recreating “town squares.” I feel it is a compromise between urban and suburban communities.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
38582 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:54 am to
Burb life is awesome and thriving(at least in thriving metropolitan areas). Get to have great schools 0 crime and can go to your same hip restaurant for dinner yet don't have to worry about getting mugged on my way home.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 10:59 am to
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Amazon has taken over North America. In twenty years, every strip mall will be gone, including grocery stores. Restaurants and the service units will remain.



And you think this will impact only the suburbs?
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17356 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:03 am to
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'm thinking that major American cities will start looking like European cities at least as you get closer to the city centers. Meaning, that the desirable places will be in the established areas like in NOLA everything west of the Industrial Canal with the slums and lower income types in the outer ring of suburbs like a New Orleans East and Kenner...it's already happening.


Neighborhoods change. Older suburbs that are "less than top tier" will decline at the expense of both refurbished urban centers and newer suburbs.

I can definitely see less of a need to commute as well as more efficient transportation networks and autonomous vehicles - which will likely open new areas to suburban development.
Posted by ellishughtiger
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Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:04 am to
People with money and good paying jobs will still live within the city. New Orleans for instance would not have 1700 sq ft houses in questionable parts of town going for $500k+ if this was not the case. Obviously, living in a bigger city is not for everyone though.
Posted by TigerinATL
Member since Feb 2005
62446 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:04 am to
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The last 100 years is littered with similar projections that never came to fruition. There will be fewer, but there will still be many.


He's wrong in his scope but right in that E-Commerce is going to kill enough brick and mortar businesses that there will be a ton of vacant commercial real estate waiting to be repurposed. One thing I've never understood is why we sprawled so much. When the housing bubble burst I remember reading an article about a dead home development outside of San Francisco. One of the selling points of this community was the "only" 90 minute commute into San Fran. If a 90 minute commute is good we've sprawled too much.

The answer to sprawl is highrises to allow more people to live in the city. You also can turn some of these high rises into hydroponic growing facilities, probably owned by Amazon and located within drone delivery range of a Whole Foods by Amazon.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:06 am to
I think more leisure time and more people working remotely will see smaller towns and suburbs reborn.
Posted by Adam Banks
District 5
Member since Sep 2009
38582 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:12 am to
Sprawl rules high rises suck. Am I a sardine? No. Man was not meant to live on top of one another
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Waltzing Between the Raindrops
Member since Oct 2007
24901 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:28 am to
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You're obvious young and naive


Not so young or naive. I was raised in real estate from birth. I was reading plat maps when most kids were reading Curious George. Both my mother and father are in real estate full time. My dad does big land deals and commercial sales. My mother focuses on residential.

I became an appraiser after graduating college.

When the market crashed, I became a marketing consultant for real estate agents across the nation while I traveled out of the country for a few years, trying to write the next great travelogue. That's where real estate novelist comes from...and Billy Joel.

Came home and got into the sales business with my family. We did not work well together, so I'm back to marketing and market analysis.

I still keep my hand in appraising. I did 6 BPOs this week for some extra mad money.

What is going to happen to all these strip malls and big box stores is something that comes up when real estate people get together to shoot the breeze. It's pretty much accepted that Amazon, Shipt, etc. will kill off brick and mortar stores. We just differ on how all this soon to be vacant of functional obsolete real estate will be transformed or absorbed back into the market.

I think the days of the 150,000+ suburban city are numbered. There's just no need for them. People will either move back to the city or to smaller community nodes of around 15,000 people with a largely decorative main street/city center.

But that's 50 years off. The blight will happen well before that.
Posted by DarthRebel
Tier Five is Alive
Member since Feb 2013
26144 posts
Posted on 11/17/17 at 11:28 am to
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PurpleandGold Motown


I think you should quit making assumptions and research Gen Z and their shopping habits.

Each generation is usually an opposite reaction to the generation before it. Gen Z is going to save this country from the mess Gen Y (Millennials) and Baby Boomers have made. Gen X did not do much, slackers.
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