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re: The Fight for Net Neutrality: Today
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:36 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:36 pm to fightin tigers
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So this net neutrality is going to make it a law that internet can only be provided by wired ISPs that currently exist.
No.
That's ALREADY law.
Net neutrality is controls ISP behavior. It does not restrict, or open up markets.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 12:37 pm
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Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:36 pm to fightin tigers
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If everyone is limiting and controlling product then there is a lot of money to be made by someone offering that product unlimited and with fewer controls.
No one else can offer it. The existing ISPs in many cases have a legally-sanctioned and guaranteed monopoly.
And even if you could get service without having to go through the big ISPs, nothing stops them from blocking/slowing/charging for service to particular websites that you might visit. TD.com could be told by a major provider that it must pay $$ or have its traffic that comes through that provider slowed, or even blocked. Lots of free sites would be forced to become pay sites or shut down. New startup sites would never be able to get off the ground because the barrier to entry ($$ to big ISPs) would be too high. Getting rid of net neutrality would pretty much destroy the internet as a forum for free expression (although in the case of the Poli board here on TD.com, that might not be a bad thing
).Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:37 pm to J Murdah
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quote:
So this net neutrality is going to make it a law that internet can only be provided by wired ISPs that currently exist.
It can happen. As one of my friends put it, Lobbying is just a fancy word for bribery.
See Tesla's battle to sell cars directly to consumers.
Auto Dealership Associations bought state laws that protected their franchise business model by requiring auto companies go through a third party franchise to sell a car.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:37 pm to J Murdah
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It can happen. As one of my friends put it, Lobbying is just a fancy word for bribery.
I'm not arguing if it can happen, I know anything can happen.
The return argument I am getting is that net neutrality WILL eliminate new ideas from coming to market.
I don't think net neutrality is a good idea. In my opinion though it will allow Google and like competitors easier access to superfast unrestricted internet to those that can afford it.
New ideas that were once out of the question (like Google's wireless internet) will become way more popular because people will pay the premium to have the access.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:38 pm to Volvagia
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No.
That's ALREADY law.
Gasp.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:38 pm to Nuts4LSU
Imagine if every pro-trump website, opinion article, etc etc etc was systematically scrubbed from the internet prior to last year's election.
Removing net neutrality gives ISP the legal right to do that.
Removing net neutrality gives ISP the legal right to do that.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:39 pm to fightin tigers
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I'm not arguing if it can happen, I know anything can happen.
The return argument I am getting is that net neutrality WILL eliminate new ideas from coming to market.
I don't think net neutrality is a good idea. In my opinion though it will allow Google and like competitors easier access to superfast unrestricted internet to those that can afford it.
New ideas that were once out of the question (like Google's wireless internet) will become way more popular because people will pay the premium to have the access.
I'm sorry but has Google encountered any issues with their deployment of Google Fiber while operating within the Open Internet regulations that stand now? I do not think they have encountered any limitations at all.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:40 pm to LucasP
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Not if there are local rules and regs and/or contracts in place stating that area electricity is to be supplied by Entergy only.
Sounds like good business practices from Entergy. So you want to make it illegal for them to make money?
Holy shite, just when it looks like you can't get any dumber, you do! Bribing government officials to give you a monopoly is not "good business practice". It's fricking exploitative and illegal, stifles competition and is TERRIBLE for consumers.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:40 pm to JohnnyKilroy
ISP's will control the media and the flow of information. We already know how stupid some people are and will believe whatever headline they read on the internet.
Freedom of Speech is in jeopardy here.
Freedom of Speech is in jeopardy here.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:40 pm to Tigeralum2008
The high high demand for their service has really been the cause of this.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:41 pm to J Murdah
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We already know how stupid some people are and will believe whatever headline they read on the internet.
I read that I needed to educate myself on the topic because the FCC is voting on it TODAY!!
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:43 pm to fightin tigers
That is my bad, I wasn't clear on that.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:44 pm to Nuts4LSU
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monopoly
Oh look, it's the Bernie comrades' favorite word. Just because a company is successful doesn't mean their evil. Those evil corporations you hate so much are the ones making the internet, they can do what they want with it. Sorry not sorry for the capitalism bro.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:44 pm to ehidal1
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privacy concerns
If you're concerned about privacy, you would not want ISPs snooping in your data.
With that said, ISPs are private companies as long as the Internet is not a utility. Either let the free market settle this or regulate it to a utility. Govt regulation of private enterprise isn't the answer.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:45 pm to fightin tigers
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I read that I needed to educate myself on the topic because the FCC is voting on it TODAY!!
Except they are not.
And probably not even this month, or the next.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:45 pm to J Murdah
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Freedom of Speech is in jeopardy here.
No it's not. Free speech is freedom from persecution, not limited by media. Again, looks like opportunities for enterprising people to compete.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:57 pm to PrivatePublic
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If you're concerned about privacy, you would not want ISPs snooping in your data.
Do you use social media? Amazon? Google?
Congrats. Your privacy was gone a long, long time ago.
That's what amuses me about the whole net neutrality bit. Everyone is hyperventilating about what the ISP's "might" do, but don't bat an eye at what behemoths like Google, Amazon, and Facebook are already doing. Incidentally the same behemoths lobbying the hardest for net neutrality.
Funny that.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Because long posts explaining it didn't stop you from making an asinine statement, here is a short one:
Saying removing net neutrality is an opportunity for enterprising people to compete is like celebrating turning the interstate into a toll road because it will encourage private development of alternative interstates.
Saying removing net neutrality is an opportunity for enterprising people to compete is like celebrating turning the interstate into a toll road because it will encourage private development of alternative interstates.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 12:59 pm to Centinel
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Everyone is hyperventilating about what the ISP's "might" do, but don't bat an eye at what behemoths like Google, Amazon, and Facebook are already doing. Incidentally the same behemoths lobbying the hardest for net neutrality.
Meanwhile they don't mind having their internet data or text messages limited; because that is how it works.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 1:00 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Again, looks like opportunities for enterprising people to compete.
"The internet could have been so awesome and filled with new companies if only the government would have gotten out of the way"
-No One Ever
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