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Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:53 pm to LSU316
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People don't care about the long game though they are only worried about some fear mongering fliers thrown around on Reddit and other boards that were probably put out there by ATT, Verizon, Comcast, Google, Facebook, Amazon, etc. all working together to create the fear of what a world without NN would mean.
Google, Facebook and Amazon are on the opposite side of this debate from ATT, Verizon and Comcast.
Maybe I'm misreading this thread, but it seems like a lot of the people in this thread think that the big telecom companies are pushing for more competition. They are not.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:54 pm to cas4t
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you people fear monger fear mongering
The other thing I bet happens is if NN stays...ISP's triple down on data caps.
So essentially it turns into the end game being either way the consumer is screwed.
Like I said earlier we need to focus on local regulatory reform.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:55 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Google, Facebook and Amazon are on the opposite side of this debate from ATT, Verizon and Comcast.
Google (Alphabet) will benefit from regulation under title ii, small business will suffer.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:56 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Google (Alphabet) will benefit from regulation under title ii, small business will suffer.
How? Be specific. Give us examples of how the current regulatory framework has stifled competition and innovation in ISPs.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:57 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Google, Facebook and Amazon are on the opposite side of this debate from ATT, Verizon and Comcast.
Uh huh.....I'm not so sure. Where is the outrage that they showed back when this was going on the first time. Sure maybe Amazon slowed down some stuff today (or said they did....they certainly didn't on Prime Day
)...yippeee Great...Google knows that Google Fiber is dead and one reason is NN simple as that (along with local regulatory environments). I mean I haven't seen Mark Zuckerburg on CNN with teeth gnashing for NN like what happened last time. 
Posted on 7/12/17 at 3:58 pm to Breesus
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How about what Comcast has already been caught doing at least twice in secret?
Caught and fined appropriately. All without Title II regulation.
You people seem to think that it's the wild west out there without Title II regulation.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:01 pm to LSU316
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Like I said earlier we need to focus on local regulatory reform.
and like you said earlier, that is not going to happen. NN is the best we have and it is working.
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The other thing I bet happens is if NN stays...ISP's triple down on data caps.
I disagree. FCC has been clear this will be handled case-by-case, and has done just that since NN was implemented. See Comcast/Time Warner as an example.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:05 pm to cas4t
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I disagree. FCC has been clear this will be handled case-by-case, and has done just that since NN was implemented.
Did they give the rubber stamp to Cox's recent hard cap??? I mean I know that the FCC is in big telecoms pocket but it seems like in that case we would want to give the FCC less control not more right?
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:08 pm to cas4t
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NN is the best we have and it is working.
The other thing that interests me here is will there be protesting from the right people when NN goes away and ISP's and internet service in general go south, if in fact it does. (I'm sure it will go away....there is no traction on keeping it from the people other than the few on message boards)
This is an issue that could produce meaningful, actionable protesting...not like BLM, Antifa, etc.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:08 pm to Centinel
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Caught and fined appropriately.
they were not "fined appropriately"
they settled a fricking class action law suit for 16 million dollars when they are a 34 billion dollar company
hardly a blip on the radar, and certainly not something that would prevent them from doing something shady again
i mean, you're arguing in favor of Comcast. You act like this is the only time they've been sued.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:10 pm to cas4t
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arguing in favor of Comcast.
There's a nightmare
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:12 pm to LSU316
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Did they give the rubber stamp to Cox's recent hard cap??
As a Tennessean, I'm not as familiar with Cox nor what they've done as of late. A quick google search tells me that this is very recent. I'd like to think your question will be answered once NN has been addressed, if not before.
This post was edited on 7/12/17 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:39 pm to cas4t
Conservative boomer logic
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:43 pm to LSU316
Cox is just fighting back to the cord cutters, Unfortunately nobody is going to cut the internet cord.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:45 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:No, you dont understand the effects of this issue as well as you think you do.
You kids don't take Econ anymore? Explains a lot
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:47 pm to rocket31
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Conservative boomer logic
We had the internet for 20+ years before NN and that didn't happen.
I'm not saying it will never happen, but it's hard to convince the average person it's an important issue when they didn't see a visible difference with NN.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 4:50 pm to Bestbank Tiger
quote:It will be all over the news a year from now asking "how did our government let this happen?" Abolishing NN goes against so many core principals this country was founded upon.
I'm not saying it will never happen, but it's hard to convince the average person it's an important issue when they didn't see a visible difference with NN.
Posted on 7/12/17 at 5:02 pm to J Murdah
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No, you dont understand the effects of this issue as well as you think you do.
I've demonstrated far more than you.
I'm trying to see beyond the simpleton points you read on reddit and look at the further reaching affects of title II, which you are probably unfamiliar
Posted on 7/12/17 at 5:04 pm to Centinel
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You people seem to think that it's the wild west out there without Title II regulation.
I'll bet some of these folks believe the internet has never existed without it.
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