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The Entergy - SWB partnership is going well…

Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:17 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41308 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:17 pm
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After a new power complex for New Orleans’ drainage system recently failed its first major test, Sewerage & Water Board officials said Tuesday they will rely on backup power to keep the city’s streets dry during major storms, a dramatic turn after S&WB for years touted the complex as the solution to perennial power failures. Two new in-house turbines will run the city’s pumps during big storms, S&WB officials told City Council members on Tuesday, while conceding that a $300 million, Entergy-powered new complex can shut down at any time during normal electricity disruptions.


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Right now, it’s possible there could be a voltage sag that would be below (the current settings), and that’s what we want to mitigate the risk of by using backup turbines at this point,” S&WB General Superintendent Kaitlin Tymrak said in an interview after the meeting. S&WB officials discussed their new plans with Entergy leaders at their side on Tuesday, a rare joint presentation intended to get to the bottom of how the power system could have failed after Entergy and the S&WB worked together to engineer it in response to catastrophic flooding in 2017.


So basically the new Entergy substation can’t reliably provide the power needed to SWB equipment

Entergy says they can’t guarantee voltage

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S&WB officials told council members that the power complex equipment is designed to operate at 90%-110% of normal voltage levels, and that manufacturer settings force it to shut down automatically when substation voltage drops below 80% to prevent damage. S&WB officials have since dropped the settings to 70%, which would have kept the equipment running during Arthur. But “voltage sags” below 70% are fairly common, according to national standards published on Entergy’s website. And voltage sags can happen for any number of reasons, even when there’s no severe weather. A previous voltage sag of 40% – the cause of which wasn’t fully explained on Tuesday – forced the S&WB equipment trip offline on May 20, a day with little to no rainfall. According to the national standards published by Entergy, 40% of sags are below 70% of normal voltage, and 16% are below 40%. S&WB officials said they are working with an engineering consultant and the equipment manufacturer to determine if the settings can go below 70%, but Executive Director Randy Hayman said he’s not sure the required settings will be able to accommodate every voltage sag. “I don’t know if we’ll ever have a system that’s 100%,” Hayman said. Entergy officials suggested that any trip settings are problematic. “Any setting that instantly shuts down the power complex on the voltage side may not be the best configuration,” Williams, the Entergy vice president, said.


And… apparently the two parties never discussed this

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When McCarron asked if Entergy had provided S&WB with voltage standards prior to construction, Entergy officials replied that the information is on the company’s website. “It is made available to all customers, and we were never asked to have a meeting about that in particular,” Entergy New Orleans CEO Deanna Rodriguez said.


Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15855 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:50 pm to
The frequency converters need to be able to ride through transient dips in the range of milliseconds of the transmission voltage from faults on the transmission system. If it can't delay the voltage trip they will trip every time a fault occurs.
Posted by MetrySaint24
Metairie
Member since Nov 2018
741 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:54 pm to
These are things anyone with a $1500 Freq Drive on a Commercial AC Unit would know. How they built a $300 million power station and nobody brought this up or didn't know that Entergy voltage goes down for anything number of reasons Wind, Heat, Rain, who knows, etc is nuts.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41308 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:08 pm to
The only thing I know about electricity is how to flip a light switch or plug something into an outset

I had no idea it’s normal for voltage to vary that much

Is this equipment not used anywhere else? How do other utilities deal with this issue? Is there a missing part somewhere?
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15855 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:19 pm to
voltage dips from transmission faults happen so fast you don't notice it.

the blink of an eye is a lot slower
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
75463 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:22 pm to
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S&WB General Superintendent Kaitlin Tymrak

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41308 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:24 pm to
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voltage dips from transmission faults happen so fast you don't notice it. the blink of an eye is a lot slower


So normally it’s no big deal I assume?

But it’s a big deal for this equipment?
Posted by LurkerTooLong
Lakeview, NOLA
Member since Aug 2016
1963 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:40 pm to
Clearly you know more about this than me and the average Joe. Please enlighten us more. I’m genuinely curious.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
48707 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:04 pm to
ANSI voltage standards are +/- 5% of Nominal 95% of the time and can dip down to -8% for 1% or less during the year.

Entergy follows ANSI standards.

Are those pumps too big to start across the line? If so, the SWB should have provided soft starts or VFDs to lessen the starting amps so the voltage doesn't sag beyond their starting limit.

Typically, they want to keep starting voltage from dipping from dipping below 15% of nameplate motor voltage. Some can start up to 20% nameplate but not recommended.

As an example, a 5,000HP 4160V motor has a normal FLA rating of around 600A. At startup, without a soft start or VFD, the starting current could be close to 4,000A. It's the reason why most home AC units cannot run on a small generator: starting current is too high.

If SWB didn't coordinate properly, their low-bid, brother in law design firm deal, could have designed something that couldn't start.
This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 11:15 pm
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15855 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:45 pm to
It shouldn't be, the frequency converter should have a massive DC capacitor bank in it that stores enough energy to ride through such short transients.

Now it comes down to how the voltage trip can be set, can delay be added to it? If you can't delay it then it doesn't matter the actual ride through capability of the power electronics because the protection will trip it.

This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 11:59 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105563 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:51 pm to
And this is the company that's going to power all the data centers while keeping power supplied to consumers.
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