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The Entergy - SWB partnership is going well…

Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:17 pm
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:17 pm
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After a new power complex for New Orleans’ drainage system recently failed its first major test, Sewerage & Water Board officials said Tuesday they will rely on backup power to keep the city’s streets dry during major storms, a dramatic turn after S&WB for years touted the complex as the solution to perennial power failures. Two new in-house turbines will run the city’s pumps during big storms, S&WB officials told City Council members on Tuesday, while conceding that a $300 million, Entergy-powered new complex can shut down at any time during normal electricity disruptions.


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Right now, it’s possible there could be a voltage sag that would be below (the current settings), and that’s what we want to mitigate the risk of by using backup turbines at this point,” S&WB General Superintendent Kaitlin Tymrak said in an interview after the meeting. S&WB officials discussed their new plans with Entergy leaders at their side on Tuesday, a rare joint presentation intended to get to the bottom of how the power system could have failed after Entergy and the S&WB worked together to engineer it in response to catastrophic flooding in 2017.


So basically the new Entergy substation can’t reliably provide the power needed to SWB equipment

Entergy says they can’t guarantee voltage

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S&WB officials told council members that the power complex equipment is designed to operate at 90%-110% of normal voltage levels, and that manufacturer settings force it to shut down automatically when substation voltage drops below 80% to prevent damage. S&WB officials have since dropped the settings to 70%, which would have kept the equipment running during Arthur. But “voltage sags” below 70% are fairly common, according to national standards published on Entergy’s website. And voltage sags can happen for any number of reasons, even when there’s no severe weather. A previous voltage sag of 40% – the cause of which wasn’t fully explained on Tuesday – forced the S&WB equipment trip offline on May 20, a day with little to no rainfall. According to the national standards published by Entergy, 40% of sags are below 70% of normal voltage, and 16% are below 40%. S&WB officials said they are working with an engineering consultant and the equipment manufacturer to determine if the settings can go below 70%, but Executive Director Randy Hayman said he’s not sure the required settings will be able to accommodate every voltage sag. “I don’t know if we’ll ever have a system that’s 100%,” Hayman said. Entergy officials suggested that any trip settings are problematic. “Any setting that instantly shuts down the power complex on the voltage side may not be the best configuration,” Williams, the Entergy vice president, said.


And… apparently the two parties never discussed this

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When McCarron asked if Entergy had provided S&WB with voltage standards prior to construction, Entergy officials replied that the information is on the company’s website. “It is made available to all customers, and we were never asked to have a meeting about that in particular,” Entergy New Orleans CEO Deanna Rodriguez said.


Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15922 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:50 pm to
The frequency converters need to be able to ride through transient dips in the range of milliseconds of the transmission voltage from faults on the transmission system. If it can't delay the voltage trip they will trip every time a fault occurs.
Posted by MetrySaint24
Metairie
Member since Nov 2018
742 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 9:54 pm to
These are things anyone with a $1500 Freq Drive on a Commercial AC Unit would know. How they built a $300 million power station and nobody brought this up or didn't know that Entergy voltage goes down for anything number of reasons Wind, Heat, Rain, who knows, etc is nuts.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41681 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:08 pm to
The only thing I know about electricity is how to flip a light switch or plug something into an outset

I had no idea it’s normal for voltage to vary that much

Is this equipment not used anywhere else? How do other utilities deal with this issue? Is there a missing part somewhere?
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15922 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:19 pm to
voltage dips from transmission faults happen so fast you don't notice it.

the blink of an eye is a lot slower
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
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Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:22 pm to
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S&WB General Superintendent Kaitlin Tymrak

Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41681 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:24 pm to
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voltage dips from transmission faults happen so fast you don't notice it. the blink of an eye is a lot slower


So normally it’s no big deal I assume?

But it’s a big deal for this equipment?
Posted by LurkerTooLong
Lakeview, NOLA
Member since Aug 2016
1976 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 10:40 pm to
Clearly you know more about this than me and the average Joe. Please enlighten us more. I’m genuinely curious.
Posted by LSUAlum2001
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Member since Aug 2003
48880 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:04 pm to
ANSI voltage standards are +/- 5% of Nominal 95% of the time and can dip down to -8% for 1% or less during the year.

Entergy follows ANSI standards.

Are those pumps too big to start across the line? If so, the SWB should have provided soft starts or VFDs to lessen the starting amps so the voltage doesn't sag beyond their starting limit.

Typically, they want to keep starting voltage from dipping below 15% of nameplate motor voltage. Some can start up to 20% below nameplate but not recommended.

As an example, a 5,000HP 4160V motor has a normal FLA rating of around 600A. At startup, without a soft start or VFD, the starting current could be close to 4,000A. It's the reason why most home AC units cannot run on a small generator: starting current is too high.

If SWB didn't coordinate properly, their low-bid, brother in law design firm deal, could have designed something that couldn't start.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 6:32 am
Posted by DVinBR
Member since Jan 2013
15922 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:45 pm to
It shouldn't be, the frequency converter should have a massive DC capacitor bank in it that stores enough energy to ride through such short transients.

Now it comes down to how the voltage trip can be set, can delay be added to it? If you can't delay it then it doesn't matter the actual ride through capability of the power electronics because the protection will trip it.

This post was edited on 6/30/26 at 11:59 pm
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106092 posts
Posted on 6/30/26 at 11:51 pm to
And this is the company that's going to power all the data centers while keeping power supplied to consumers.
Posted by Upperdecker
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2014
33905 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 2:59 am to
They need to be on a dual feed from separate substations. So if one substation goes down or has an interruption, the feed from the other comes in and keeps the units online
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Member since Jul 2018
8497 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 4:29 am to
Imagine being tasked with cleaning up the S&WB and given firing power. The grift you could clean up is endless.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41681 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 9:58 am to
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ANSI voltage standards are +/- 5% of Nominal 95% of the time and can dip down to -8% for 1% or less during the year.


Seems like Entergy is saying dips of 30-40 prevent are within standard
Posted by diat150
Louisiana
Member since Jun 2005
48184 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 10:00 am to
they doubled down on that old arse design instead of designing something new and it is biting them in the arse.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41681 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 11:53 am to
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they doubled down on that old arse design instead of designing something new and it is biting them in the as


They being the SWB or Entergy?
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
79851 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 11:55 am to
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Seems like Entergy is saying dips of 30-40 prevent are within standard


"It's on our website" has to be one of the funniest retorts I gave seen on that level.

Really not sure what to expect from a SWB and Entergy partnership, but this level of frickery is not surprising. SWB having a more reliable system than Entergy in this situation has to say something.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 11:57 am
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13419 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:03 pm to
SWB too poor for a diesel back up generator.
This post was edited on 7/1/26 at 12:05 pm
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
79851 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:06 pm to
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SWB too poor for a diesel back up generator.


Um; well....they do have them.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
13419 posts
Posted on 7/1/26 at 12:13 pm to
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Um; well....they do have them.


If you know voltage is going to be a concern, why not run the diesel gennys primarily and use Entergy power as a backup.

Might increase cost of running and maintenance but cheaper than flooding the city.
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