re: The craziest/best poker call I've ever seen (270k pot)

Doug Polk thinks she cheated and this is his take on it. At around the 7:00 mark her chair is shaking like something is vibrating on her body.

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DNegs thinks giving the money back leans towards not cheating. You can read it either way.

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A lot ways to look at it. If giving the money back is guilty then Mike Postle must be innocent since he didn’t give any money back. You just can’t say it’s x because y happened because it’s an easy explanation.

This incident shows how emotional people are. There are the “she cheated” vs “she didn’t cheat” camps. So people are who think she cheated are looking for evidence to support it. And likewise for people who think she didn’t. People in general believe in abc or xyz and find evidence to support it and deny anything that will hurt their case.

Berkey and Chin did a breakdown of the hands she played and I think we can rule out her knowing the results of the hand and knowing the player’s exact hand. I also think we could rule out the fact that she misread her hand. She literally tells Andy she doesn’t have a 3.

With that said, I’m still at 60/40 she is cheating. Here is my theory based on everything I’ve seen:
She is using an device that’s causing her to know if her hand is good when she requests the information through vibration. I don’t believe she is cheating the whole time, just in certain crucial spots. I think her and partner learned something from the Postle sandal and Jake/Ali RTA scandal (i.e if you play perfectly against the exact hand, you will get caught).

Here’s how that plays out. Get in a spot against a player. Play your hand, then if your thinking about making a move or call, use a time chip and then your partner will signal you through vibration if you’re ahead or behind. I believe a light vibration probably means you’re ahead (the j4 vibration was very subtle) and the consistent vibration means you’re not good (the j8 hand, you could visibly see she is vibrating for a couple seconds). The time chip gives you an additional minute to make a decision and both times she made a decision within 20 seconds and directly after the vibration.

I think if this could get ruled out, I will heavily lean towards innocence. Please feel free to poke holes.

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lance814

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There's a simpler scenario that explains everything:

Robbi is new to poker & ambitious so she wants to play high stakes & be respected among high stakes players. She's prob been soaking up as much poker knowledge as possible.

Garrett has been leaning on her the whole session. She's frustrated & sick of it. She has good enough instincts to think Garrett's all-in move was weak(it was). She basically loses all logic & says frick it I'm going to make a stand. She gets lucky & everyone starts laughing at her. She's nervous/embarrassed/excited & has no logical explanation for why she called so she's just trying to come up with any justification. She doesn't want to say she made a stupid play bc all the men at the table will call her an idiot.

Her problem is that she won't admit she made a dumb call & shifts her story to whatever sounds better at the time. Her trying to say she can soul read Garrett is even dumber than calling $109k with j4o.

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The tell was when she gave him back the money. Why would someone do that? If you won it fair and square why would you? No, make them prove you cheated. Except, she didn’t win fair and square.

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Because Garret was being a bitch about the situation and giving him back his money is a big dick move on a bitch.

I think it's hilarious.

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It's only a bizarre call in the context of a high stakes game with veteran high stakes players. You can go to any casino in America & sit down at a 1/3 game & there are wild unexplainable plays made all the time. It sure as hell doesn't mean anyone is cheating. If you were going to set up some elaborate cheating scheme streamed live from all different angles, do you really recruit a girl that's been playing all of 5 months & stoned out if her mind just to get in one big pot thats a coinflip?? IMO, Garrett is way out of bounds & needs to give her the $109k back immediately.

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You think a 1/3 player takes a check, min click, j high hero call for almost 2x pot. I sure haven’t seen something like that before.

On your second point, had a pro taken that line, there would be 0 doubt they were cheating. The fact that she’s a recreational player is why this is even a debate.

If Garrett 100% thinks he was cheating, I’m fine with him taking the money. If the investigation come back and nothing is found, I’m pretty confident he will return it.

I dont know how many times I've seen people donk off their entire stack bc "I thought you were bluffing".

I dont why it's inconceivable that a millionaire with 5 months experience makes a wild call. Especially a woman who's trying to impress all the men at the table.

Way late to this and not a poker player by any means. More pinochle so I do play cards, but is the guy just devoid of criticism here? He shoved everything in with complete garbage

That's what I'm talking about. It prob happens more often at private games but even at a casino you get drunk tourists that want to throw money around & make wild plays based on nothing.

It's awesome when it happens bc those are always the games you want to be in.

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But, again, I've never seen anyone lose their stack because they correctly sniffed out a bluff. You would have to be a complete idiot to have that happen to you, hence why this hand is so baffling/suspicious.

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I'm not going to pretend to know much about this particular play....but doesnt the phrase, "Call my bluff" come from plays like this?