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Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:35 pm to Revelator
Challenger-never should have been launched. The flight engineers responsible for the SRB's made it known that the cold temperatures prior to launch would likely cause failure in critical parts of the SRB's. They were overruled by administration. Result was exactly what they said would happen. The crew was more than likely alive when they hit the water. Also resulting procedure and engineering changes improved the SRB's and limited the ability of admin to override flight engineers.
Columbia-there was little to no knowledge of any damage to the wing during launch. So there was no reason to suspect the breakup during re-entry. The result was that every shuttle launch after Columbia went through visual inspection in orbit to ensure that it didn't happen again.
Columbia-there was little to no knowledge of any damage to the wing during launch. So there was no reason to suspect the breakup during re-entry. The result was that every shuttle launch after Columbia went through visual inspection in orbit to ensure that it didn't happen again.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:37 pm to Revelator
Left in the dark. I wouldn't want the last minutes of my life to be a potential panic attack.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:37 pm to KosmoCramer
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For most missions, the shuttle could have simply docked with the International Space Station (ISS) and used it as a lifeboat. However, this particular shuttle mission was in a completely different orbit to the ISS – and neither had sufficient engine power to change their flightpath.
interesting info there...I have never heard that before.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:38 pm to Kracka
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Columbia-there was little to no knowledge of any damage to the wing during launch. So there was no reason to suspect the breakup during re-entry.
That's just false.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:39 pm to Revelator
The amazing John Glenn heat shield scene from The Right Stuff comes to mind:
NASA: He's going into his third orbit.
Scott Glenn (as Alan Shepard): How much longer are you going to keep him in the dark?
NASA: What do we tell him?
Scott Glenn: He's a pilot, you tell him the condition of his craft.
NASA: He's going into his third orbit.
Scott Glenn (as Alan Shepard): How much longer are you going to keep him in the dark?
NASA: What do we tell him?
Scott Glenn: He's a pilot, you tell him the condition of his craft.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:45 pm to KosmoCramer
I read a majority if the report on it the other day. There is acceptable damage to the tiles on the vehicle that they know occures during launch. But not on the leading edge of the wing on this particular launch. Not until after the breakup did they really closely examine the exact damage at launch. And that's because of where they started seeing issues during re-entry
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:46 pm to Revelator
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You didn't see it live, because there was no live coverage.
Pretty sure NASA tv was showing it live. They usually showed all missions.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:47 pm to Revelator
My God how fricking shitty was the construction of that space shuttle?
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:48 pm to Revelator
I'd want to know. No one should be making decisions on what I should know when it comes to threats to my life, regardless of whether I can do anything about it or not.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:52 pm to TimeOutdoors
My personal tin foil hat moment.
The military space budget dwarfs NASA's. I think we have a military shuttle that can be ready ASAP. Had the word got out about a doomed Columbia, the heat would of been on to launch our military shuttle to go get them.
The military space budget dwarfs NASA's. I think we have a military shuttle that can be ready ASAP. Had the word got out about a doomed Columbia, the heat would of been on to launch our military shuttle to go get them.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:54 pm to Bluefin
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I also don't think NASA knew the extent of the damage to Columbia. They were aware that a piece broke off during launch, but had no way of finding out what happened.
In the end, I think it was just better they didn't know. They were already in the mindset that there's a chance something could go wrong, and I'm sure they said goodbye to their families with that in mind.
The engineers wanted to do a spacewalk to inspect. One potential fix was to tilt the shuttle on reentry to reduce the friction on the damaged side.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:55 pm to Kracka
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Challenger-never should have been launched. The flight engineers responsible for the SRB's made it known that the cold temperatures prior to launch would likely cause failure in critical parts of the SRB's. They were overruled by administration. Result was exactly what they said would happen. The crew was more than likely alive when they hit the water. Also resulting procedure and engineering changes improved the SRB's and limited the ability of admin to override flight engineers.
Correct, and apparently tiles had fallen off of previous missions without incident as well and NASA decided to continue flying none the less.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 9:56 pm to crazycubes
I saw that on a transformers movie too.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:08 pm to LEASTBAY
Never seen a single transformers movie , Baw
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:11 pm to Bluefin
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I remember someone from NASA saying that their only option would've been to rush another shuttle (Endeavor, I think) into prep for launch carrying equipment for repairs. That, of course, was never really considered because it would've likely jeopardized 7 more astronauts, and would've taken at least a few months. The Columbia crew didn't have the supplies for that timeframe.
Atlantis was at Kennedy and heading to the VAB in a couple of days and supposedly could've been on the pad in less than 30 days.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:14 pm to KosmoCramer
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That's just false.
they realized that it hit sometime during the mission, but it wasn't all that uncommon so they didn't check on it.
this story is really interesting:
LINK
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:41 pm to Hermit Crab
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they realized that it hit sometime during the mission, but it wasn't all that uncommon so they didn't check on it.
Basically. There were always huge chunks of foam pelting the Orbiters each launch. Foam loss was an Accepted Risk on the program. Post-separation photos of each External Tank showed this, as well as post-landing photos of the Orbiter tiles that took the debris strikes. This doesn't mean there were poor decisions made on the day of launch. But the culture explains why it had been accepted that day. Foam loss was still an AR after Return to Flight, but the foam loss had been characterized and quantified by that time.
Oh, and I remember waking up to this on TV one Saturday morning. The cable news networks picked it up with the quickness and had captured footage of debris entering the atmosphere.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 10:44 pm to Revelator
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Later after the accident, amateur video emerged showing the Columbia falling apart leaving a trail of fiery sparks. This might have been what you saw?
Most likely. It was definitely the day it happened. Might have been a few hours afterwards, but it's amazing how you can remember where you were when it happened. Same with 9/11.
Posted on 5/11/17 at 11:04 pm to beerJeep
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Most likely. It was definitely the day it happened. Might have been a few hours afterwards, but it's amazing how you can remember where you were when it happened. Same with 9/11.
No doubt. Growing up, most little boys say they want to become astronauts and the idea of space flight is so fascinating that an occurrence like this leaves an indelible mark in our minds.
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