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re: The Advocate finally asks the question: Too many universities in La?
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:33 pm to MadMaxwell
Posted on 1/26/16 at 3:33 pm to MadMaxwell
First off, it's not even clear that you're correct about the gross number of dropouts. SLU has a much lower number of students and a much higher dropout rate.
Second, TOPs dollars are around and extra $2k per student at LSU than SLU.
So if we're comparing, LSU is somewhat more expensive but given the higher chances of success, a much better use of funds, than SLU.
Second, TOPs dollars are around and extra $2k per student at LSU than SLU.
So if we're comparing, LSU is somewhat more expensive but given the higher chances of success, a much better use of funds, than SLU.
This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 3:35 pm
Posted on 1/26/16 at 9:30 pm to hsfolk
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Grambling students can't cut it where they are at then they won't be able to at Tech and both Grambling and ULM would have to qualify for Tech's higher admission standards
I know I'm bumping an old thread but I have to respond. This is absolutely true. There is a MASSIVE DIFFERENCE in difficulty between Tech and SU. SU has proven to have a better pedigree than Grambling based on academics. Most GSU people would be devastated by Tech. So it goes without saying that majority of HBCU students would have tough time facing the 1st tier.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 9:34 pm to volod
Thought you were going to tell about your "situation" or whatever it was a Tech.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 9:40 pm to Slippy
Boston has two 4-year colleges and three 2-year colleges in spite of having 49 private colleges and universities already in place.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 9:41 pm to Gaston
In my early threads about SU, I did mention my situation. I decided that I would tone down on that and only reference the schools I have attended. If you want to know, I can give a super short summary.
But I need to make something clear. I personally think that SU branches should be shut down. I honestly think we need a "super hbcu" and that would solve most of these issues.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 9:43 pm to slackster
this is what amazes me about the point some are arguing....."well then this person would have to drive an hour to go to college."
Ok well tough shite. If having to move or commute is too much of an inconvenience for you to get a degree...well then maybe a trade school is something you should look into.
Ok well tough shite. If having to move or commute is too much of an inconvenience for you to get a degree...well then maybe a trade school is something you should look into.
Posted on 1/26/16 at 9:51 pm to BilJ
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If having to move or commute is too much of an inconvenience for you to get a degree...well then maybe a trade school is something you should look into.
I agree. I come from Leesville and that's almost a 3 hour drive to Tech ( I don't do interstate). Also I go to SU, which is a greater distance from Leesville.
The OT may shun my educational decisions, but at least I have NO ISSUES with leaving my comfort zone to seek the best opportunities in this state (best for my purposes)
This post was edited on 1/26/16 at 9:52 pm
Posted on 1/27/16 at 7:24 am to Slippy
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:59 am to Slippy
I LOL at the guy who suggested merging SU with LSU. 

Posted on 1/27/16 at 10:12 am to hendersonshands
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Southeastern,
Fills a niche in the most populated area of the state. Very good nursing school.
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Nicholls
Used to be a two year school in the LSU system. I really don't know what it's function is these days. I know John Folse has some type of culinary program there, but why do you need to go to college to learn how to cook.
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Northwestern.
One of the oldest universities in the state. Very good teacher's college, which was its original mission. Making LSUS and LSUA four year schools took their toll on this school. Close those two schools and leave NSU alone.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:05 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
How about some rapid re-alignment and work out from there.
First you put all schools under one system.
Second, establish two schools as primary research centers.
Third, establish four-year schools in each of the primary population centers: NOLA, BR, LC, Shreveport-Bossier, Lafayette, Alexandria and Monroe. This is the tough part. The focus of these regional universities is to teach, and not do research. They should have some limited ability to teach graduate level classes, but the focus should be on regionally necessary curricula (whatever that may be). Additionally, these schools should also include the technical schools necessary for those areas.
Now, since you have to deal with the existing infrastructure, the best options for the research institutions would be LSU and La Tech. This would remove the need for additional 4-year teaching-focused institutions in Baton Rouge and Monroe. Since Baton Rouge is large enough, I could see one existing at Southern. But Grambling, SUNO, NWSt, LSU-E and NLU would likely close. New infrastructure would likely be required in Alexandria and Shreveport to expand the teaching institutions there.
The problem with all of this is the stove-piping of the educational objectives. The four-year college administrations don't want to dirty their hands with teaching technical courses for the Associates degree level. Such an attitude does not serve the students who need the technical skills early in their lives and need the more advanced business skills later once their career is established.
Nothing will change until you really address the various fiefdoms created by having so many boards working against each other. It's been that way since at least the Roemer administration, so I'm not expecting change any time soon.
GEAUX TIGERS
First you put all schools under one system.
Second, establish two schools as primary research centers.
Third, establish four-year schools in each of the primary population centers: NOLA, BR, LC, Shreveport-Bossier, Lafayette, Alexandria and Monroe. This is the tough part. The focus of these regional universities is to teach, and not do research. They should have some limited ability to teach graduate level classes, but the focus should be on regionally necessary curricula (whatever that may be). Additionally, these schools should also include the technical schools necessary for those areas.
Now, since you have to deal with the existing infrastructure, the best options for the research institutions would be LSU and La Tech. This would remove the need for additional 4-year teaching-focused institutions in Baton Rouge and Monroe. Since Baton Rouge is large enough, I could see one existing at Southern. But Grambling, SUNO, NWSt, LSU-E and NLU would likely close. New infrastructure would likely be required in Alexandria and Shreveport to expand the teaching institutions there.
The problem with all of this is the stove-piping of the educational objectives. The four-year college administrations don't want to dirty their hands with teaching technical courses for the Associates degree level. Such an attitude does not serve the students who need the technical skills early in their lives and need the more advanced business skills later once their career is established.
Nothing will change until you really address the various fiefdoms created by having so many boards working against each other. It's been that way since at least the Roemer administration, so I'm not expecting change any time soon.
GEAUX TIGERS
Posted on 1/27/16 at 1:49 pm to Thorny
quote:Agree with most of your points, but. If NWST and La Tech are kept as the two North La schools you can service Monroe, SBC, and Alexandria with those two universities without "beefing up" infrastructure in the short term. Simply use the existing LSU-A and LSU-S as 2 year feeder schools. Tech could be the more STEM/Medical based after the absorption of NLU and NWST would be more ART/Education centered.
New infrastructure would likely be required in Alexandria and Shreveport to expand the teaching institutions there.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 8:53 pm to AwesomeSauce
Perhaps in the short term, you are correct. But NWSt is an hour from both S/BC and and hour from Alexandria. My preference would be to place the teaching universities in cities where they can aid the most number of working/non-traditional students. Designating La Tech as a research university would lessen the need to have it be a destination for those students.
Hope that helps. I'm not holding my breath that my plan would ever see the light of day.
Hope that helps. I'm not holding my breath that my plan would ever see the light of day.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 9:09 pm to Tchefuncte Tiger
Looks like that stupid motherfricking southeastern douche from earlier bailed once I called him on his bullshite.
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