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re: Thank god the suburbs and exurbs were invented
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:22 pm to RogerTheShrubber
It's not just total numbers. The educated and talented are still moving to cities and suburbs are becoming increasingly lower class.
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Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:23 pm to buckeye_vol
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The cities didn't go out of "fashion" like you stated. Besides, when there was white flight, urban populations contracted. This is nothing like that.
In the article this was addressed. People moved to the city during the recession, not the growth rate is falling.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:24 pm to buckeye_vol
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Well besides the flaws in looking at it from a county perspective, this still shows that cities are growing, and similarly to the suburbs.
There are flaws, but:
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Kolko, an independent economist and senior fellow at the Terner Center for Housing Innovation at University of California, Berkeley, has divided all the census tracts in the country by population density. Dating back through the 1990, 2000 and 2010 censuses, the share of Americans living in urban census tracts with about 2,200 households per square mile or more has steadily declined. The population in really dense tracts — with at least 10,000 households per square mile — has fallen, too. And this pattern holds in more recent American Community Survey data through 2014.
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This post was edited on 7/8/16 at 11:27 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:24 pm to Easy
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The educated and talented are still moving to cities and suburbs are becoming increasingly lower class.
The burbs seem awfully affluent to me.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Which can now be fulfilled since gentrification while reaping the benefits of the city itself (entertainment, food, etc.).
were drawn to the suburban life and exurban life.
quote:Do really interpet everything from a strictly dichotomous political ideology perspective?
Young Americans today are so far to the left
Besides, young people have always been left. There are just more of them AND cities have been cleaned up to attract people back.
Frankly, all else being equal (crime, cost of living, space, schools, etc.) I'm not sure why most people who prefer a metropolitan area, wouldn't prefer to live in the city rather than the suburbs.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:26 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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frick people who think suburbs and exurbs have been a net negative for america. I don't give a shite if it threatens diversity.
I don't like suburbs, but that's just me. I don't give a shite where you'd prefer to live. There's plenty of pros and cons to each living situation. Do what's right for you, and quit whining like a bitch.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:27 pm to Easy
Just tell me where your ilk are moving.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:28 pm to buckeye_vol
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I'm not sure why most people who prefer a metropolitan area, wouldn't prefer to live in the city rather than the suburbs.
Space, peace, security.
If you look at the most affluent neighborhoods in the country, most of them are burbs.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I live in a suburb now and it's so goddamn boring. There's like 5 different cookie cutter floorplans and all the houses look the same, no character whatsoever. But whatever, it's cheap to live here and inside the house is spacious and comfortable at least.
You can live in a nice area in the city that is comfortable and with little or no crime, but the problem is that the young people are willing to pay a premium to live there so people like you can't afford it. And also your poor children would have to go to school with brown kids.
You can live in a nice area in the city that is comfortable and with little or no crime, but the problem is that the young people are willing to pay a premium to live there so people like you can't afford it. And also your poor children would have to go to school with brown kids.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:29 pm to Tigers_Saints
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There are 51 metro areas in the country with at least 1 million people. In the overwhelming majority of them, the share of people living in urban neighborhoods has declined since 2000. There are just nine exceptions, metros that are urbanizing — and Washington is one of them, alongside Portland, Seattle and San Jose.
I would argue that more money is moving into cities despite or even causing this movement
This post was edited on 7/8/16 at 11:31 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:29 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Henry at the gate would never let them protest in the neighborhood
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:30 pm to Bushmaster
The problem has become that most cities have become too expensive for people in their 20s and early thirties. If it isn't expensive, they're projects. Unless you're in a boring city, young people mostly want to be in a city or the country, not the burbs.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:31 pm to CCTider
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young people mostly want to be in a city or the country, not the burbs.
They'll probably be in the burbs before they are 40
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:34 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
I love living in St Tammany any day, but times like this even more.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:35 pm to USMCTiger03
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living in St. Tammany
You call that living?
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:36 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:But people are still moving into the city at a positive rate.
People moved to the city during the recession, not the growth rate is falling.
Now granted I lived in Nashville last year, and currently live in Columbus, and these are two cities that are experiencing significant growth. Therefore, I do have a skewed perspective. HOWEVER, even Cleveland, which is losing population, has experienced significant growth in certain areas (downtown).
My point is that cities are still growing, and even if they are not growing as fast as suburbs, this is still a positive trend for cities. It's nothing like white flight in the mid 20th century. Besides, the growth potential is greater in the surrounding areas anyways since they are less dense.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:38 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
This post was edited on 11/8/20 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:39 pm to buckeye_vol
Another thing you got to remember is that lot of these cities basically have large swaths of suburban within the city limits.
This post was edited on 7/8/16 at 11:40 pm
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:43 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I understand why people live in the suburbs. I'm saying that if the standard of living was equal, (space, security, etc.) then the city would offer more than the suburbs. Since they are not, I get why people choose the suburbs.
Space, peace, security.
If you look at the most affluent neighborhoods in the country, most of them are burbs.
That being said, gentrification (which I think is a positive) has made neighborhoods in cities just as nice, safe, and affluent as the suburbs (see East Nashville, 12 South, etc. in Nashville; Clintonville, German Village, etc. in Columbus).
This is a stark contrast to the mid 20th century when cities had no realistic options for people that wanted those amenities.
Posted on 7/8/16 at 11:45 pm to Tigers_Saints
quote:Yeah. Some of the trendy neighborhoods in Nashville and Columbus are far more expensive than the best suburbs, especially since space is an issue.
I would argue that more money is moving into cities despite or even causing this movement
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