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re: Texas to hit all-electric vehicle owners with high fees
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:56 am to dgnx6
Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:56 am to dgnx6
quote:Yet ANOTHER example of the made up argument in your head.
Board liberals mad about paying their fair share?
Typical, always want someone else to foot the bill.
EV owners in this thread have said they should pay. The side you're on is acting completely illogical, so your only comeback is to pretend the other side is acting equally illogical but that's just something you made up.
And people wonder why we're in the current political situation we're in, these people have a right to vote...that's the scary part.
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Posted on 8/4/23 at 8:57 am to fallguy_1978
quote:
or they'll put in a miles driven tax.
Would be more fair.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:00 am to Street Hawk
Not high enough
It should be a brutal amount
I would start at 5k plus any incentives they received to purchase
Plus a ban from using the grid to charge them
It should be a brutal amount
I would start at 5k plus any incentives they received to purchase
Plus a ban from using the grid to charge them
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:00 am to Talkum Poudar
quote:Big government, you leftists are the worst!
Not high enough
It should be a brutal amount
I would start at 5k plus any incentives they received to purchase
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:01 am to Talkum Poudar
quote:
plus any incentives they received to purchase
I think thats fair.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:01 am to BHS78
quote:By paying for it.
How do they get the electricity to charge it,
quote:Correct
and the vehicle still puts wear and tear on the roads.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:
Would be more fair.
How can something be more fair?
Then again, the "it's not fair" crowd always wants more.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:07 am to shel311
More of these EVs on the road would decrease the demand for gas and hopefully drive prices down so I don't see this as a good thing.
I'm not pro/against EV. I just don't want the government trying to force everyone to buy one
I'm not pro/against EV. I just don't want the government trying to force everyone to buy one
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:11 am to shel311
Man you can really see how this is getting some people jacked up that wheels and company are sticking it to the libtards. They got the virtue signal they wanted and a distraction from the fact they didn’t accomplish enough for property tax relief. Lazy fricks.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:15 am to hikingfan
quote:
Texas gas tax = $.20 per gallon. To reach $200 would require the purchase of 1,000 of gas, for a 30 mpg car that means 30,000 miles per year to reach the equivalent EV tax. Doesn't seem exactly fair.
The average weight of an EV is considerably more than an equivalent IC engine vehicle. Typically they are 10-25% heavier class for class, depending on how you define the classes. That means an EV puts more wear on the road per mile.
You should also be comparing the gas tax on a 20 MPG vehicle, not 30, as that is much closer to the fleet average and certainly closer if you look at it in terms of vehicle weight and subsequent wear on the roads.
Given this comparison, the EV tax is closer to 17,500-20,000 miles year, which is reasonable, if perhaps $50 high.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:15 am to cyarrr
quote:
True, but they are not paying the federal gas tax either which is approximately the same as the state tax.
And when the state collects this tax, will they send a share to the feds?
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:16 am to hikingfan
They're not paying $200 for the fee. Registration is usually around $50-$80, so the "fee" is $120-$150
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:17 am to TigerHornII
quote:Do you think bigger SUV and truck owners should pay double? Have you ever argued for or posted that on this board?
The average weight of an EV is considerably more than an equivalent IC engine vehicle. Typically they are 10-25% heavier class for class, depending on how you define the classes. That means an EV puts more wear on the road per mile.
Just want to ensure we're being consistent if this is truly about weight, so curious on the 2 questions above.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:17 am to Corriente Kid
quote:Multiple articles have been posted stating otherwise.
They're not paying $200 for the fee. Registration is usually around $50-$80, so the "fee" is $120-$150
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:18 am to billjamin
quote:
They weigh an insignificant amount more than luxury vehicles in the same class. The difference certainly doesn’t align with the excess. The gap doesn’t make sense unless you acknowledge that the Texas legislation hasn’t been able to increase fuel taxes but was able to do this because they knew it would get the anti-EV crowd all horned up rather than get things in alignment across the board. I know expecting politicians to actually do their job is a foreign concept but maybe one day we’ll get there.
Talk about cherry-picked data -"luxury cars" - really? Class for class, EVs weigh anywhere from 10-25% more than a comparable IC vehicle.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:27 am to Yeti_Chaser
quote:
I'm not pro/against EV. I just don't want the government trying to force everyone to buy one
Exactly. It creates shortages and higher prices. Its bad for everyone.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:27 am to shel311
quote:
quote:
The average weight of an EV is considerably more than an equivalent IC engine vehicle. Typically they are 10-25% heavier class for class, depending on how you define the classes. That means an EV puts more wear on the road per mile.
Do you think bigger SUV and truck owners should pay double? Have you ever argued for or posted that on this board?
Just want to ensure we're being consistent if this is truly about weight, so curious on the 2 questions above.
Truck and SUV owners already do pay more. Their weight translates to lower MPG, so they pay 2x+ what a person driving a 30 MPG econocar does in gas taxes. Got any more extremely inconsistent arguments you'd like to make?
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:29 am to TigerHornII
quote:You presented this as an absolute, and that's false.
Truck and SUV owners already do pay more. Their weight translates to lower MPG, so they pay 2x+ what a person driving a 30 MPG econocar does in gas taxes. Got any more extremely inconsistent arguments you'd like to make?
Not every heavier vehicle automatically gets worse gas mileage than a lighter vehicle. But you've made an argument based on an absolute, so now what?
So, speaking of "extremely inconsistent arguments" here you are...
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 9:30 am
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:44 am to Zakatak
quote:The front axle of a semi is generally >10k lbs correct?
Since when do semi's have only 4 tires and 2 axles?
quote:I know what asphalt is made of, that's why oil breaks it down. Fuel is worse.
What do you think asphalt is made of?
quote:Yes I understand load distribution.
I agree that the weight issue is likely a moot point at the the end of the day. But there is a reason larger and heavier vehicles have more tires and and axles.
quote:Agree on both counts.
EVs should be subject to same road use tax as ICE. I dont think the politicians are smart enough to get the implementation correct though.
Posted on 8/4/23 at 9:44 am to TigerHornII
quote:
Talk about cherry-picked data -"luxury cars" - really? Class for class, EVs weigh anywhere from 10-25% more than a comparable IC vehicle.
The most popular EVs are luxury cars, so it makes sense to compare them to similar ones. But let’s stick with your point and charge them 10-25% more and not 100% more.
Or let’s just go to a GVWR tax across the board since all of y’all are so worried about vehicle weight.
This post was edited on 8/4/23 at 9:48 am
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