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re: Texas Governor wants top teachers to earn six figures

Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:08 am to
Posted by Hangover Haven
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:08 am to
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Few teachers disagree with that idea but many still question where the money will come from.




and they thought Texas property tax was high now..
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 10:23 am
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:08 am to
principals and superintendents are already making in the 200K-500k range with perks, some legal, some not so legal
Posted by AUCE05
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:15 am to
Tax payers and teachers would equally shite their pants if we allowed the industry to parallel the private sector. Teachers would be pissed about losing their retirement; the tax payers would be pissed with the 30% increase in pay to compensate for the required degrees, etc.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 10:16 am
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:18 am to
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Texas would probably run the program correctly. In Louisiana, every teacher would be top teacher in one year or less.



The principals would LOVE this program

BJs for days...
Posted by pioneerbasketball
Team Bunchie
Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:20 am to
Teachers are underpaid
Posted by Lsuhack1
Member since Feb 2018
866 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:31 am to
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With a masters in the field and say 10 years experience is a 100k too much ?


Yes,
I make over 100k a year. With a masters and 10 years of experience. My life is full of immense stress, I work till at least 7 at night and get to work at 7 in the morning. most weekends involve some kind of work, I don't get two weeks off for Christmas and damn sure don't get an entire summer off. If this passes I'm becoming a teacher tomorrow. I will coach basketball and teach. can't be more hours, and if all I have to deal with is the stress of getting papers graded or getting my lesson plan done, then sign me up. I want this to happen then subject area experts will become teachers.
Posted by trident
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:31 am to


Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:39 am to
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I always thought teaching should be merit based. Hell, most jobs should be merit based including pro sports. If you're great, you get compensated as such. I
No disrespect intended, your view seems logical and workable. But there is more to it than that.

Our schools are not factories, from which a standardized product quota can be expected, based on some idea of what a norm might be.

Nor are our kids simply little blank slates, just waiting to have somebody's idea of what they should know at some arbitrary point in their education imprinted upon their allegedly impressionable little minds.

On any given day, Teachers have not only squirmy, resistant, receptive, normal, weird little and older kids to deal with, but also their parents or some adult in charge of them, who come with all kinds of baggage, just like their kids.

Plus for teachers, there are the pressures of ever-increasing government standards, with loads of red tape and hoops to jump through demanding their time and attention - often to the detriment of actual classroom instruction and interaction.

Plus they have the political pressures that exist in any school system, and the media sensationalism about incompetent teachers, or teachers who do inappropriate things with students, or you name it. Plus the threat of shooters is constant in their minds.

This is reality for our teachers, most of who dedicated to their professions, even if they are disgracefully underpaid, underappreciated, overworked and overlooked. It is no wonder so many are leaving the profession in droves.

So who wants to be a teacher? Even for $100k.
This post was edited on 8/22/18 at 10:42 am
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
295817 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:41 am to
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Our schools are not factories, from which a standardized product quota can be expected, based on some idea of what a norm might be.


Student teachers are graded on lesson plans and supervisor observation. Teachers can be graded the same way.
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
120068 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:42 am to
Texas does have one of the best school systems in the country.

And they spend millions on building HS football stadiums (which I have no problem with. HS football is huge in Texas). And that is one way to attract better teachers.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:42 am to
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With a masters in the field and say 10 years experience is a 100k too much ?


My mom has over 30 years experience and a masters and makes about 50k in Alabama.
Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:43 am to
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Student teachers are graded on lesson plans and supervisor observation. Teachers can be graded the same way.
What makes you think they are not?
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
7148 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:45 am to
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In Alabama, kids are required to be in school 1080 hours per year.

If teachers make $100,000, they will be making almost $100 an hour.


You seem to be under the impression that teachers are only working when students are there.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:46 am to
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So who wants to be a teacher? Even for $100k


I would do it in a heartbeat.

And 100k would be a large pay cut for me.

A teachers job is not that hard and they work less than 8 total months a year when you account for summers, school holidays, regular holidays, etc. About 7 something months.

So yeah, even though 100k would be a large pay cut for me, I'll take it no question to be a teacher.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:47 am to
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You seem to be under the impression that teachers are only working when students are there.


Everyone in a white collar job works outside of the office.
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
7148 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:50 am to
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Everyone in a white collar job works outside of the office.


That's not true. And the point was that they don't just work 1000 hours a year so they wouldn't be making $100/hr.
Posted by Lsuhack1
Member since Feb 2018
866 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:52 am to
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Our schools are not factories, from which a standardized product quota can be expected, based on some idea of what a norm might be.


Well how about this, You grade teachers based on the students performance from the year before. SO if you have a classroom and a student performed vs his peers at better than 34% one year and the next year he is better than 44% then obviously that teacher had a positive impact. You take that and average it out for the class and use a 3 year weighted rating to adjust for outliers. you could even through out the top 10% of performers and bottom 10% to concise it even more.
When I judge my sales team I don't judge total sales of someone with a very lucrative area vs total sales of someone with a non-lucrative area, I judge them on how much better the area did this year vs last year. and then factor in the industry and overall company performance.
Posted by Lsuhack1
Member since Feb 2018
866 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:53 am to
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That's not true. And the point was that they don't just work 1000 hours a year so they wouldn't be making $100/hr.


You show me someone making 6 figures that doesn't work outside the office. or if they don't aren't working at least 50 hours a week inside the office.
Posted by manshipbk
Member since Aug 2018
104 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:55 am to
Up to individual school districts not state.
Posted by tylercsbn9
Cypress, TX
Member since Feb 2004
66597 posts
Posted on 8/22/18 at 10:56 am to
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ure about 6 figures but they are underpaid


As a collective they are not

However the top ones are underpaid but that’s what you get with union influence and just simply paying based on years of service
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