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re: Texas bartender charged for serving gunman who left bar, killed 8 people
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:31 pm to TigerStripes06
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:31 pm to TigerStripes06
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Maybe she is for serving him after he brandished the knife. But someone isn’t fall down drunk after two drinks, two beers, and a shot. Especially if he’s regular enough for the bartenders to know where he lives. That dude drank a couple, left, got fricked up and came back wasted. She isn’t being charged for serving him after he pulled out a knife. She’s being charged for over serving, which IMO, she didn’t. I don’t give a shite one way or the other. Dude was crazy as frick and was going to do this regardless of who did or didn’t serve him. There are people I don’t like too...but I’m not gonna have a couple drinks and cut down a whole social circle.
She's not the reason he killed those people, of course.
However, surveillance video shows he was stumbling around an empty bar, hitting a picnic table. She texted her friend saying he was drunk. She wasn't fooled by someone who was holding it together.
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Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:37 pm to AlonsoWDC
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Texas has a lot of history in criminalizing service industry people who serve people who go out and do shite.
It's Orwellian. Imagine being her. JFC frick that state.
She's charged for serving someone who was hammered. Anyone with TABC certification knows this can happen. She isn't charged for what he did when he left.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 9:38 pm to slackster
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However, surveillance video shows he was stumbling around an empty bar, hitting a picnic table. She texted her friend saying he was drunk. She wasn't fooled by someone who was holding it together.
Exactly. People aren't seeing the whole story here.
Like this
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Glass knew Spencer Hight and had earlier texted another bartender as Hight sat at the bar, investigators say. "Spencer has a big knife on the bar and is spinning it and just asked for his tab and said I have to go do some dirty work ... Psychoooooooo," according to the text, which was included in a report last year by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission. At one point, Hight also displayed a handgun and a bar worker escorted him to his car to place the weapons inside before he could return to the bar,
This post was edited on 5/9/19 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:00 pm to McLemore
quote:Well yeah that's how the little crime is usually found...while investigating a bigger crime. What were they supposed to do at that point? Just ignore it?
Just seems like probably selective enforcement at the very lesst, based on the severe criminal acts that really had nothing to do with the overserving.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:02 pm to Melvin
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So bartenders are supposed to not serve regulars and also be able to diagnose “insanity” now? What a ridiculous law.
Bartenders are committing a crime for serving alcohol to a drunk person
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:07 pm to biglego
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Bartenders are committing a crime for serving alcohol to a drunk person
No, to an obviously far over the limit and danger to themselves or others drunk person.
This isn't a hard concept to understand.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:07 pm to dcbl
bullshite. Damned if she did, damned if she didn't. If you want to go that route, breathalyze people coming in the door, don't make someone working for tips make a judgement call constantly, they're not trained nor paid enough to gauge psychology or toxicology of a person unless they're falling off the damned bar stool.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:09 pm to AUsteriskPride
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they're not trained nor paid enough to gauge psychology or toxicology of a person unless they're falling off the damned bar stool.
A big part of TABC training is spotting people who shouldn't be served.
If you've ever been the sober one around drunks, you know how it's not really that hard to tell who's had enough.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:11 pm to TH03
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big part of TABC training is spotting people who shouldn't be served.
If you've ever been the sober one around drunks, you know how it's not really that hard to tell who's had enough.
yup
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:15 pm to TH03
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A big part of TABC training is spotting people who shouldn't be served.
If you've ever been the sober one around drunks, you know how it's not really that hard to tell who's had enough.
While working for tips, they shouldn't be forced to constantly make that decision. I disagree with the laws, the burden should shift on the establishment, not the bartender.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:19 pm to AUsteriskPride
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shift on the establishment
quote:who do you think the bartender represents
not the bartender.
It's on them to properly train. Their license is at stake.
Posted on 5/9/19 at 10:38 pm to Vidic
quote:so bartenders are qualified to determine who is "stable"? That would mean lawyers can use bartenders as mental experts.
So why did they keep serving him if they knew he was unstable?
Posted on 5/9/19 at 11:06 pm to castorinho
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who do you think the bartender represents
It's on them to properly train. Their license is at stake.
What I'm getting at is working for tips.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 12:17 am to TH03
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No, to an obviously far over the limit and danger to themselves or others drunk person.
This isn't a hard concept to understand.
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Lindsey Glass, 27, was arrested last week and charged with a misdemeanour violation of the state's "sale to certain persons" law, which bars the sale of alcohol to a "habitual drunkard or an intoxicated or insane person."
It appears the law merely states “intoxicated” which could include most people in any bar.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:03 am to dcbl
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accused of continuing to serve drinks to a drunken man who later went to his estranged wife's home and killed her and seven other people
Yea, but...what’d she actually do? This is legit absurdity.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 5:37 am to TH03
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A big part of TABC training is spotting people who shouldn't be served.
Yep. You're warned about liability risks in addition to warning signs.
I'd have more sympathy with someone in a busy, fast paced environment, but the place was slow enough for her to play pool and text another bartender about the way the guy was acting.
Most bars would ban a customer who brought in a weapon and possibly call the police. This dude was obviously treated different because he was a regular they knew well.
Still a shame her name is attached to the big murder story, though.
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:10 am to Barbellthor
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accused of continuing to serve drinks to a drunken man who later went to his estranged wife's home and killed her and seven other people
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Yea, but...what’d she actually do? This is legit absurdity.
quote:can't you read?
accused of continuing to serve drinks to a drunken man
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:12 am to dcbl
She can do some hard time in my penal system
Posted on 5/10/19 at 6:16 am to AlonsoWDC
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Texas has a lot of history in criminalizing service industry people who serve people who go out and do shite.
Louisiana has held bartenders criminally liable for serving alcohol to customers who ultimately killed people in car wrecks.
This post was edited on 5/10/19 at 7:24 am
Posted on 5/10/19 at 7:34 am to Tchefuncte Tiger
It's wikipedia, but brief overview of Dram Shop laws: LINK
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