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Posted on 6/8/19 at 1:16 pm to ibldprplgld
quote:Never once said they should, not sure where you got that from. You're just further proving your hate is misdirected. Blame the government. It's not really logical to hate the company for taking advantage of it. It just makes no logical sense no matter how you spin it.
Please explain to the board why the taxpayers should afford YOU a tax credit on YOUR private vehicle. Please explain why 100% of a company's product offering should be gov't subsidized
Posted on 6/8/19 at 1:21 pm to Chocolate Jesus
quote:That's a fan concept, we don't know what it'll actually look like yet.
It looks like the bed is about 3’ long. Why do they call it a truck when it looks like an El Camino?
Musk has hinted that it'll be very futuristic looking though.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 1:30 pm to texag7
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A dodge or f-350 that weighs much more and has more tire to pavement contact with similar torque would drag a Tesla like a rag doll
Why would anyone compare what will likely aim to compete with trucks like the Ford F-150 and Ram 1500 to a fricking F-350?
This post was edited on 6/8/19 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 6/8/19 at 1:49 pm to Dr RC
I don’t know. It’s about as silly as touting a 300k lb towing.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 1:56 pm to nola000
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If I wasn't so concerned about the long-term viability, product support, parts availability, etc, of Tesla's, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
You just further bolstered my stance...and beautifully I might add. I didn't even touch on those issues (which are well known with Tesla). The Tesla fanboy in here even admitted himself that financially things aren't "rosey" for Tesla. The company has serious and fundamental issues that go beyond this EV tax credit expiration. I didn't even touch base on those.
The only issue I have brought up in this thread is the EV tax credit that I vehemently oppose, and the fanboy has tried every which way to play "whataboutism" games with me and other manufacturers...and he's been wrong at every juncture.
I honestly could not care less about the company, its products, or Musk himself. I care about every single one of their cars being partially gov't subsidized. My frustration on that front is not limited to Tesla -- that company is just the most egregious example with 100% of its products being eligible and it being the first company to reach the 200,000 mark (triggering the reduction of the tax credit that started in Jan).
There should be no gov't tax credit for any individual to buy any car in this country regardless of circumstance. If Tesla wants to rebate its own vehicles for consumers, fine. That's their business. The gov't (taxpayers) should not be footing that bill. Period. This stance triggered the fanboy; he can work that out for himself.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:02 pm to ibldprplgld
quote:Weird that you spelled "unbiased" as "fanboy."
The Tesla fanboy in here even admitted himself that financially things aren't "rosey" for Tesla.
Not sure how that happened.
To use your words, you further bolstered my stance that I'm being wayyyyyy more unbiased by mostly pointing out facts and calling out incorrect statements compared to the opposite side in this thread.
quote:Other than completely exposing your hypocrisy, yep, totally wrong!! But based on this post, you seem to be a tad too emotional in this discussion, which is odd if you were truly unbiased.
and the fanboy has tried every which way to play "whataboutism" games with me and other manufacturers...and he's been wrong at every juncture.
quote:Can't wait for the company to fail, but can't care less about them. If you are truly unbiased like you claim you are, you'll admit those 2 statements can't go together. Let's see if you walk one back, or basically just admit your bias, which is it?
I honestly could not care less about the company,
quote:Another example of you being too emotional, you have an illogical stance with misplaced frustration.
My frustration on that front is not limited to Tesla -- that company is just the most egregious example
quote:All of your frustration should be directed right there at the government, but again, I don't feel you're striving for fully logical thoughts here.
There should be no gov't tax credit
quote:Wayyyyyy too emotional to claim you're unbiased.
This stance triggered the fanboy
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:05 pm to biglego
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I don’t know. It’s about as silly as touting a 300k lb towing.
I wouldn't want to tow more than about 10k with a half ton. I'd be too worried about stopping.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:05 pm to nola000
quote:You know exactly what you're dealing with the moment someone resorts to the "Tesla fanboy" tag, much less like 4 times in 1 post.
He was trying to catch him in a gotcha that everything he said so far was colored by the fact that he owns a Tesla. Which were not sure he does since he didn't admit to it but I'm assuming he does. My point was I don't own a Tesla and I agree with everything he said.
You know they have a clear bias. You know they're not going to be completely rational/logical. You know they're losing the debate portion of a thread once "fanboy" comes out, all of those things are a stone cold lock. Once it comes out a few times...that's just not a good look.
This post was edited on 6/8/19 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:13 pm to agregime1
I like the look of the Revian R1T more to be honest, though it'll be more than $50k. There's a reason Ford is working a lot with Revian behind the scenes to perfect the all-electric truck concept. The R1T cant tow a continent like the Tesla supposedly will, but 11,000 pounds isn't too shabby. Still a long way to go in the looks department, but much better and more useful than the Tesla IMHO
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:16 pm to BamaMan45
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There's a reason Ford is working a lot with Revian behind the scenes to perfect the all-electric truck concept.
All of the major auto makers will probably have an extensive electric lineup in the next decade.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:17 pm to BamaMan45
quote:The Rivian looks awesome, I really hope it works out for them with the pick up and the SUV.
I like the look of the Revian R1T more to be honest,
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:30 pm to fallguy_1978
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wouldn't want to tow more than about 10k with a half ton. I'd be too worried about stopping.
Exactly. I don’t even know what a 300k lb load would look like on the interstate lol. Could the road even handle that weight?
That’s about three of these:
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:37 pm to biglego
My truck only tows 7600 lbs which is more than enough for me tbh.
I used to tow a boat which I've since sold. Occasionally a trailer. I just prefer driving a truck to other vehicles.
I used to tow a boat which I've since sold. Occasionally a trailer. I just prefer driving a truck to other vehicles.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:46 pm to fallguy_1978
I think my truck is rated around 9800 lbs. I never tow anything. I don’t need a truck. I just like driving it.
I’d drive a Tesla truck if it was affordable and if it has good battery range. Not to save the earth but bc Tesla’s are fast as hell. Just don’t want to hear nonsense about 300k lb towing.
I’d drive a Tesla truck if it was affordable and if it has good battery range. Not to save the earth but bc Tesla’s are fast as hell. Just don’t want to hear nonsense about 300k lb towing.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:51 pm to biglego
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I think my truck is rated around 9800 lbs. I never tow anything. I don’t need a truck. I just like driving it.
I’d drive a Tesla truck if it was affordable and if it has good battery range. Not to save the earth but bc Tesla’s are fast as hell. Just don’t want to hear nonsense about 300k lb towing.
We use mine for road trips so the charging station infrastructure would have to be a lot better for me to ever consider one.
I haul my 4 wheeler in mine so I kind of need one but I'd have one anyway because it's just what I prefer to drive.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 2:59 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:Just curious, what improvements would be needed?
We use mine for road trips so the charging station infrastructure would have to be a lot better for me to ever consider one.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:02 pm to shel311
Having them available all along the interstates like gas stations. I'm sure they are in some areas.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:03 pm to shel311
Are there a lot of charging stations to be found between major cities? I honestly don’t know. And how long does it take to charge? Bc if it’s a 300 miles range and it takes a while to recharge then that’s no good for road trips. Great for daily commute though.
Posted on 6/8/19 at 3:07 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:Gotcha.
Having them available all along the interstates like gas stations. I'm sure they are in some areas.
This site gives a good idea of where they are, but remember, that's just super chargers. There are plenty of others not on here in various business parking lots like hotels, hospitals and places like that.
They're certainly not as prevalent as gas stations obviously.
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