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re: Terrorist’s mosque is ordering its members to refuse to talk to fbi
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:34 am to grizzlylongcut
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:34 am to grizzlylongcut
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Hard for me to consider em Americans considering what their child raping prophet tells them to do.
Be careful, you're going to be accused of violating some logical fallacy about low stakes cultural norms.
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Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:36 am to OceanMan
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We don’t know much about this individual, or even the extent to which his identity is proven.
we know quite a bit.
his ex wife was limiting his time with his kids. his company went under. he got divorced for a 2nd time. he planned to kill his kids and ex, but had a dream that sent him towards ISIS and this attack. sounds like an extreme mental break and a craving for purpose that followed a misguided and disgusting path.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:36 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
You should be banned for that fake headline.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:38 am to OceanMan
this wasn't an act of treason though.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:39 am to Stinger_1066
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What actions could he have performed that would negate his American citizenship prior to any due process being performed?
Your boy committed an act of terrorism with mass casualties under the name of a known enemy terrorist state. He fricking died for this cause.
I don’t think you needed to be on the boat crossing the Delaware to understand that these are the types of people they were talking about when the topic of losing citizenship came up.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:41 am to OceanMan
There is no mechanism for him, had he survived, to lose his citizenship.
He was a natural born U.S. Citizen.
WTF are you even talking about?
He was a natural born U.S. Citizen.
WTF are you even talking about?
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:44 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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I fully understand the situation. You are the one that is failing to grasp it. As evidenced by the below quote:
Yeah you are going to have to help me out. We are talking about members of a church in Texas, right?
CAIR is not a law firm. Referring to them for inquiries from authorities is not protecting civil rights, it is protecting Islam. I’m not failing to understand anything, you are refusing to discuss the distinction.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:44 am to OceanMan
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Commit an act of treason against the United States
In order to be convicted of an act of treason he first has to stand trial as an American citizen and be convicted.
You don't get to arbitrarily say he's not an American citizen prior to being convicted.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:47 am to OceanMan
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Your boy committed an act of terrorism with mass casualties under the name of a known enemy terrorist state. He fricking died for this cause.
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don’t think you needed to be on the boat crossing the Delaware to understand that these are the types of people they were talking about when the topic of losing citizenship came up.
This is all after the fact. If your kid graduated college, joined the Army, and then committed a terrorist attack on US soil would you suddenly think "damn I should have revoked his citizenship and shipped him away as a baby"
Chances are you wouldn't have known and according to you it would be your own fault.
Very emotional response.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:49 am
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:48 am to OceanMan
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Your boy committed an act of terrorism with mass casualties under the name of a known enemy terrorist state. He fricking died for this cause.
I don’t think you needed to be on the boat crossing the Delaware to understand that these are the types of people they were talking about when the topic of losing citizenship came up.
He's dead, so it is a moot point. But if he had lived, he would have to be tried as an American and convicted first.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:48 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Sounds like McCarthyism to me.
Shame on them. They should be trying to help as much as possible.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:49 am to dnm3305
quote:Boy is this a dangerous road to go down
They aren’t fricking American. I don’t care if theyre citizens
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:51 am to OceanMan
If someone gets married and loves another person they are still married. It doesn't mean they are now married to the other person just because they love them.
This post was edited on 1/2/25 at 9:54 am
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:52 am to OceanMan
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Yeah you are going to have to help me out. We are talking about members of a church in Texas, right?
CAIR is not a law firm. Referring to them for inquiries from authorities is not protecting civil rights, it is protecting Islam. I’m not failing to understand anything, you are refusing to discuss the distinction.
Judging by your posts, you may be beyond help but I will try.
CAIR is many things. It is of course a controversial pro-muslim group that probably does some illegal shite.
But it is also the muslim version of the ACLU, providing legal assistance to muslims.
So, the mosque telling it's members to "consult with CAIR" is no different than saying "consult with the ACLU"
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:54 am to OceanMan
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CAIR is not a law firm
They most certainly are, in the same sense that the ACLU or the Alliance Defending Freedom are law firms.
The provide legal advice and representation.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 9:59 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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CAIR is many things. It is of course a controversial pro-muslim group that probably does some illegal shite. But it is also the muslim version of the ACLU, providing legal assistance to muslims. So, the mosque telling it's members to "consult with CAIR" is no different than saying "consult with the ACLU"
Yeah, CAIR is basically an organization designed around excusing the bad behavior of extreme Muslims under the guise of tolerance.
That being said, it’s always good advice not to talk to the FBI without a lawyer no matter who you are.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:00 am to TH03
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this wasn't an act of treason though.
That is debatable, but it’s not debatable that he died committing an act of terrorism against the US. Safe to say he constructively denounced his own citizenshi.
It’s like some of yall don’t realize that civil rights kind of end when you commit acts of war against the country that you have those rights in. Like not even prepared to have that discussion.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:14 am to Bjorn Cyborg
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There is no mechanism for him, had he survived, to lose his citizenship. He was a natural born U.S. Citizen. WTF are you even talking about?
He didn’t fricking survive. He intended to die, committing a crime on behalf of a known American State enemy.
He stripped himself of citizenship by his own act, and I’m not really sure why it matters because he is dead.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:24 am to Dantheman504
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Very emotional response.
It’s really not, because
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This is all after the fact
We know the ending. He died committing an act of terrorism against the US.
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If your kid graduated college, joined the Army, and then committed a terrorist attack on US soil would you suddenly think "damn I should have revoked his citizenship and shipped him away as a baby" Chances are you wouldn't have known and according to you it would be your own fault.
This is completely off the rails strawman territory.
Why is it difficult to understand that this guy died a terrorist against the US? I’m not even sure why we are discussing this, rather than the rights of the church members, but it seems many of you have missed the basic concept of being an American Citizen and why the government was ever formed in the first place.
Posted on 1/2/25 at 10:32 am to Stinger_1066
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He's dead, so it is a moot point. But if he had lived, he would have to be tried as an American and convicted first.
Sheesh. He took away his own due process, that’s why it is a moot point. He renounced his earthly citizenship.
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