re: Terrorist Attack in London - UPDATE ISIS claims responsibility

I'm not concerned with what you care about or your beliefs, because they are not based in reality.

As an example, based on your post, you'd blame those who are brainwashed, even at a young age (?), instead of blaming those that do the brainwashing?

That's not how the brain works. You're saying folks should take the moral high ground, when many times, they aren't aware the moral high ground is even an option. it's similar to this situation.

This is where we get into some really philosophical stuff when it doesn't need to be argued. The men that actually created ISIS and other groups/men (such as Osama Bin Laden) were all very educated.

Then we have to break down whether "brainwashing" is influence, which I wouldn't call it that. Growing up being innundated and taught and indoctrinated a certain way is much different from influence. That's actually contribution (at least in my eyes).

Ex: if you're taught from a very young age that infidels must be killed. That's definitely contributing you killing infidels

That's different from being influenced by an idea or whatever and then reacting to it

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vagueness is your shtick is see.

why were they feeling oppressed?

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Do you know anything about Middle East history? Seriously. Both Shias and Sunnis have been raging war on each other for hundreds of years. This is a continuation of that. Every religious/cultural sect in the Middle East has it out for each other. It's been going on for a very long time.

We can argue the US's influence in that, but that's the foundation of why an organization like ISIS exists.

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At least be intellectually honest with yourself and admit that Obama never accused Trump of collaborating with the Russians.

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O' Rly ?

Washington Times

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the White House continued to blame Russian hackers Wednesday for meddling in the election and asserted that Donald Trump was “obviously aware” of Moscow’s efforts on his behalf.

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RT.com - cached version since page wont diplay correctly per my work filter

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President Barack Obama’s spokesman has accused President-elect Donald Trump and top members of his team of “lucrative” ties with Russia, pointing out that his national security adviser was a “paid contributor” on RT.


White House press secretary Josh Earnest made the case against Trump at the daily briefing on Monday, connecting the dots from “malicious Russian cyber activity” to top campaign officials and their past.

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“It was the president-elect who refused to disclose his financial connections to Russia,” said Earnest. “It was the president-elect who hired a campaign chairman with extensive, lucrative, personal financial ties to Russia. It was the president-elect who had national security adviser on the campaign that had been a paid contributor to RT, the Russian propaganda outlet.”

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And also...
NY Post

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“There was ample evidence that was known long before the election, and in most cases long before October, about the Trump campaign in Russia, everything from the Republican nominee himself calling on Russia to hack his opponent,” White House press secretary Josh Earnest told reporters at Wednesday’s press briefing.

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Well I wonder why they bring up the US. They also bring up Israel. They need a scapegoat for everything wrong in their society and their lives. Same shite different day, dude. At least give me something compelling. I don't want to hear what Abu Bakkar has to say about why he joined ISIS.

Show me where the US is funding them or something.

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ETA: the simple truth is that you don't understand Middle Eastern culture and would rather unintelligently blame the US and the West for what's going on there. Their culture doesn't breed success. It's just blaming each other over and over again for all of their problems. It's the same crap as it's always been.

Sunnis blame Shias
Shias blame Sunnis
Some blame Kurds
They all blame Israel
They all blame the US

It's been going on for a very long time. It's no different today with Al-Baghdadi's world famous Islamic State.


ETA2: this actually extends even further than the Middle East. Look at Afghanistan where everything is completely tribal and all the tribes are aways fighting each other. These people don't share western society's culture. They're completely different.

Considering they're completely surrounded by armed guards 24/7 while the common polulace isn't, I'd say they're doing fine.

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Yep. Carolina was terrorism.

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In that respect the Baton Rouge and Dallas attacks last year were also ideology based and are thus terror attacks.

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You won't even type out what recent events have led to the most reason "feeling of oppression" from the Sunnis. At least you're aware that admitting that much would send us down a rabbit hole that you can't climb out of. It's been fun.

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Shias are in charge of the Iraqi government and Iran has a large influence there. It's no secret. It doesn't change my argument. I don't see how the US should be blamed for that. It still goes back to Sunnis irrationally hating the Shias which has been around for hundreds of years. You can blame the US for not being 100% culturally sensitive in the way they installed the Iraqi government but the job was never to appease everyone. It was to remove Saddam, install democracy, and leave.

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I don't place some blame on the US, but anyone that actually thinks the US is absolved of any blame has their head in the sand. I'm talking about you, FYI.

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You've never specifically blamed the US for doing anything. All you've said is that they deserve blame.

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Shias are in charge of the Iraqi government

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Ok, and how did this happen?

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You can blame the US for not being 100% culturally sensitive in the way they installed the Iraqi government but the job was never to appease everyone. It was to remove Saddam, install democracy, and leave.

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Which is exactly what happened and ended up being a very bad idea. Which contrifluenced to the creation of ISIS, in a string of numerous other events.

With your posts, I have to think you believe removing Saddam was the right decision? After all, it was just an influencer and shouldn't have played any role in any ill will towards the US from the Sunni population. They really just "hate us 'cus they ain't us."?