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re: Suppose you discovered there is no afterlife
Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:25 pm to Globetrotter747
Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:25 pm to Globetrotter747
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What can I do that you cannot?
Whatever your inner self allows.
People with value systems are different.
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Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Whatever your inner self allows.
Many so-called sins (especially the brand name sins) would affect my freedom, health, or well being if I were to commit them.
If an atheist doesn’t commit murder because he doesn’t want to go to prison, and a Christian doesn’t because he fears Hell, I don’t see a great deal of difference in motivation.
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People with value systems are different.
A value system shouldn’t depend on anything external. If a Christian’s value system would drastically change (from a moral perspective) if it were somehow proven that there is no afterlife (and therefore no rewards or wrath from God) then I don’t think that person has much of a value system.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 5:56 pm to Globetrotter747
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Many so-called sins (especially the brand name sins) would affect my freedom, health, or well being if I were to commit them.
and you can literally make up what is "good" vs what is "bad."
Not knocking it, just saying there is no objective value system in run of the mill "atheism."
Posted on 9/14/25 at 6:44 pm to Globetrotter747
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So I don’t know what’s so difficult about being a Christian. Be a decent person, go to church here and there, and believe comforting ideas that people have instilled in you since the cradle?
You see these trannies shooting up atheists children?
What about the persecution and Christian genocide we see in the world everyday. Why is it that every religion is allowed to promote their beliefs, but Christians?
Posted on 9/14/25 at 6:46 pm to northshorebamaman
Best of luck to you. I appreciate the discussion, and the insight. I am fortunate to have had a situation that made it impossible to deny the existence of God. No hard feelings towards you or anyone else.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 7:23 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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and you can literally make up what is "good" vs what is "bad."
This should be true for everyone regardless of anything. On significant matters of principle, no one decides what I think is right or wrong but me. No one’s actions are beyond question, including mythical deities. Anything else is cowardly.
There are plenty of actions by God in the Bible that are disturbing. If I were Abraham and a deity told me to kill Isaac out of some stupid test of faith or loyalty, I would have told it to piss off (and probably think I might be schizophrenic). And if it sent me to Hell for failing a test that involved me killing my son, hey, I am okay with it.
If an incident like that happened in 2025, the father would be locked up in a psychiatric institution. We all know that only people who lived in the Middle East thousands of years ago really talked to God.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 7:25 pm to Globetrotter747
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This should be true for everyone regardless of anything
No. Philosophies (including religion) are good for social control.
We're wired for survival, its those institutions that give framework to work upon, whether you think you need it or not.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 7:27 pm to jnethe1
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You see these trannies shooting up atheists children? What about the persecution and Christian genocide we see in the world everyday. Why is it that every religion is allowed to promote their beliefs, but Christians?
Christians don’t promote their beliefs? Christian’s have never committed atrocities?
Posted on 9/14/25 at 7:30 pm to prplhze2000
Already know their isn’t
Posted on 9/14/25 at 7:34 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Philosophies (including religion) are good for social control.
This doesn’t mean they’re beyond question, which is why society has changed quite a bit through the millennia. Thankfully.
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We're wired for survival, its those institutions that give framework to work upon, whether you think you need it or not.
Social frameworks and the values they inspire are not immutable.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 7:36 pm to Globetrotter747
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This doesn’t mean they’re beyond question
Not at all, but at least you have frames of reference.
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Social frameworks and the values they inspire are not immutable.
Youre way overthinking this.
Its the framework thats important and helps bind society, I didnt say ever member had to adhere.
Posted on 9/14/25 at 8:10 pm to Globetrotter747
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Christians don’t promote their beliefs?
Yes. The world is better off for it too.
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Christian’s have never committed atrocities?
Which?
Posted on 9/14/25 at 9:46 pm to fightin tigers
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When I discovered that it made me a better person. Stopped making me believe I could just ask for forgiveness and be granted it by some magical ghost in the sky. Makes you learn personal accountability.
I’m praying for you and all those that have upvoted your post. Without a higher power, God, there is no morality. The only morality you have is personal opinion. Sure, everybody can have their own opinion of what is good but not everybody is going to agree, thence, you don’t have a true morality….you just hope people have the same opinion as yours and that’s how you can potentially live as a society.
We, as Christians, have the 10 commandments directly from God so we have a true morality. You can choose to believe in God or not and that is free will that was given to everybody.
In the end, if there is no God nor Heaven (which I 100% think there is), and I choose to live my life as a Christian, then I say I would have hopefully lived as a good person to the best of my ability. I wouldn’t regret spending time praying, reading the Bible and going to Church. The consequence is too much to not believe
Posted on 9/15/25 at 6:16 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Youre way overthinking this.
Overthinking it is believing that a deity is or needs to be involved to justify societal norms or value systems.
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Yes. The world is better off for it too.
Even if we said that’s true, it doesn’t make deities anymore real. At times in my life I have drawn positive inspiration from movie characters like Rocky Balboa and Andy Dufresne. But they’re still fictional.
A religion could be the greatest or most devastating movement in the history of the world - and the deity that inspired it could be no less fictional.
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Which?
Does it really even matter if I post a list? What we humans do and why we do it does not change the lack of evidence for deities or an afterlife.
And unlike the vast majority of Christians, I have taken a lot of time to explore religion as part of my interest in traveling. I have been to where Jesus was supposedly born, baptized, arrested, crucified, resurrected, and ascended.
Now some people say Jesus was crucified at the location of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre - but others say the Garden Tomb. You could say I have been to where the Last Supper occurred but the building where that’s advertised is not even old enough for that to be the case. And that room sits above the so-called Tomb of David - which isn’t really the Tomb of David.
There’s so much BS in that part of the world, even today. And then you can skip over to some place like Malaysia and lay in a hotel bed and stare up at an arrow pointing to Mecca in case you need to pray.
And then you can go over to California and see Methuselah, a tree at least a few centuries older than the period in which the supposed Genesis Flood destroyed essentially all life on Earth.
But the craziest thing is people dedicate their lives to a religion and don’t even know this stuff.
Anyway, I’m rambling.
Posted on 9/15/25 at 6:44 am to fightin tigers
quote:Ascribes to nihilistic argument then endorses moral reasoning.
Makes you learn personal accountability.
Brilliant…
Posted on 9/16/25 at 12:48 am to prplhze2000
Many religious folks don’t believe in afterlife but are too afraid to speak on it but their every day lifestyle and choices show different.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 12:59 am to SportsGuyNOLA
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’d be a lot more violent and cruel to those who displease me
And you and the likes of you would be put down quickly by others who lack morals.
Posted on 9/16/25 at 1:14 am to prplhze2000
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How would that affect your morality, how you live your life?
It wouldn't. I don't do anything for someone else's approval. My code of right and wrong is my own.
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